re: [gutvol-d] one more thing, for jon noring
jon said:
Most of the PNGs are in the 70-80k range
yes, that was my mistake, sorry. i was misled by the .djvu version, where most of the pages are <10k. (i've _got_ to see how to use that!) of course, at 30 megs per book -- gosh, i remember when 30 megs was a good-sized _hard-drive_! :+) -- we see why project gutenberg has never put all its scans online. distributed proofreaders keeps _saying_ that they are going to, but as of yet, they haven't done it. d.p. still seems to be constrained by disk-space, even with generous help from ibiblio and internet archive. -bowerbird
Bowerbird wrote:
jon said:
Most of the PNGs are in the 70-80k range
yes, that was my mistake, sorry. i was misled by the .djvu version, where most of the pages are <10k. (i've _got_ to see how to use that!)
DjVu is cool, but the "openness" and long-term viability of the format is still open to question. The Internet Archive uses it, so they must feel it is open enough to use. There's a dearth of free tools using DjVu, but from what I understand there's no impediment to open source DjVu compile tools.
distributed proofreaders keeps _saying_ that they are going to, but as of yet, they haven't done it.
Yes, if this is the case, it is mysterious since IA will gladly host them once the etext version is out the door. I do know that some scan sets are encumbered (they are "loaned" to DP under some sort of arrangement, but cannot be made public -- this is somewhat troubling, but hopefully the scans will be made available elsewhere at a future time, such as through IA's scanning activities. One thing I do know is that DP does keep full source metadata for each text they produce, even if that data is not turned over to PG.)
d.p. still seems to be constrained by disk-space, even with generous help from ibiblio and internet archive.
I know that for production purposes they want to use their own servers -- IA is not reliable enough. IA's focus is on archiving and storing, so 24-7 with full-throttle availability is a lower priority to IA, while DP *must* have 24-7 availability and sufficient speed to not keep volunteers waiting. Thus, disk space is an issue for the DP production process, especially in that DP is still a shoestring operation. Anyway, this is my interpretation of what Juliet told me a few months ago. Maybe someone from DP will reply to this... Jon
Jon Noring wrote:
I know that for production purposes they want to use their own servers -- IA is not reliable enough. IA's focus is on archiving and storing, so 24-7 with full-throttle availability is a lower priority to IA, while DP *must* have 24-7 availability and sufficient speed to not keep volunteers waiting. Thus, disk space is an issue for the DP production process, especially in that DP is still a shoestring operation. Anyway, this is my interpretation of what Juliet told me a few months ago. Maybe someone from DP will reply to this...
The short version - very busy tying shoestrings :) : DP does fairly well for 24/7 uptime now. Since migrating to our own server last year, we've had minor network glitches due to routing hassles at the ISP & a few scheduled outages due to upgrades to the DP code. All our projects in various stages of production are kept on the DP production server. DP has had a production inbalance, proofing more books than post-processing & subsequent posting to PG. Projects are archived off the production server only after they have been posted to PG. Hence over time, we have wound up with ever-decreasing amounts of free disk space. The lack of disk space is not really the issue, the inbalance is. We are doing our best to address the inbalance by further distributing workload & post-processing more of our in progress projects. In the interim, disk space is tight, but we are managing for the moment. I have posted a few times about this issue to the DP Forums. Want to help? - sign up to smooth-read texts before they get posted & help our volunteer post-processors (PPers) & post-processing verifiers (PPVers) post more books to PG. If you can read an ebook, you can help. More info here: http://www.pgdp.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13677 An accessible archive of posted projects & images is in the works. Thanks, P - one of the DP Site Admins - (pourlean @ DP)
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:00:29 -0700, Jon Noring <jon@noring.name> wrote:
There's a dearth of free tools using DjVu, but from what I understand there's no impediment to open source DjVu compile tools.
What do you mean a dearth of free tools? The djvulibre set seems to be a pretty complete set of tools.
David Starner wrote:
Jon Noring <jon@noring.name> wrote:
There's a dearth of free tools using DjVu, but from what I understand there's no impediment to open source DjVu compile tools.
What do you mean a dearth of free tools? The djvulibre set seems to be a pretty complete set of tools.
I stand corrected. I'll try the viewer plugin for Opera/Firefox. It looks interesting. Hopefully a Windows-based encoder with GUI front end will eventually be developed. From this perspective, there does appear to be a dearth of free tools for DjVu encoding. Jon
Jon Noring wrote: David Starner wrote:
Jon Noring <jon@noring.name> wrote:
There's a dearth of free tools using DjVu, but from what I understand there's no impediment to open source DjVu compile tools.
What do you mean a dearth of free tools? The djvulibre set seems to be a pretty complete set of tools.
I'll try the viewer plugin for Opera/Firefox. It looks interesting.
Oops, there's not yet a djvulibre browser viewer plugin for Windows (I use both Opera 7 and FireFox, so I got excited that I could view DjVu files using these browsers in Windows. But nada -- stuck with IE6 and LizardTech's plugin.) So for those who do most of their text and graphics processing on Windows, we're still stuck with the payware encoders from LizardTech. This may be one reason why DjVu has not taken off -- the djvulibre developers seem to have little interest at this time in encoders and viewers for Windows-based systems. Not exactly a great marketing decision. Jon
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