-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Folio files Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:45:42 -0000 From: Charles Crosby <charlesjcrosby@btinternet.com> To: <webmaster@gutenberg.org> I have downloaded a folio version of Gibbon's 'Decline and Fall...' What program do I need to read it? Hoping you can be of assistance, Charles Crosby. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org
On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 04:57:04PM +0100, Marcello Perathoner wrote:
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Folio files Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:45:42 -0000 From: Charles Crosby <charlesjcrosby@btinternet.com> To: <webmaster@gutenberg.org>
I have downloaded a folio version of Gibbon's 'Decline and Fall...' What program do I need to read it? Hoping you can be of assistance, Charles Crosby.
Hi, Charles. You're probably better off with a different version of this eBook (visit http://gutenberg.org and type "gibbon" in an Author search box). "Folio" is by a company that we haven't heard from in awhile. They had some proprietary software for eBooks. I'm unaware of any current programs that can view these files properly. We keep the files as part of the archive because we don't like to delete things, but as you can see this format as not much of a success, from today's point of view. -- Greg Newby
I have downloaded a folio version of Gibbon's 'Decline and Fall...' What program do I need to read it? Hoping you can be of assistance, Charles Crosby.
"Folio" is by a company that we haven't heard from in awhile. They had some proprietary software for eBooks. I'm unaware of any current programs that can view these files properly.
We keep the files as part of the archive because we don't like to delete things, but as you can see this format as not much of a success, from today's point of view.
Out of curiosity, I tried Google to find this file (thought maybe I could bust it open), and it seems that most of the versions of this book out on the web are identified as "Folio", including those that are available in plain text and html formats. Maybe he just meant the size of the original book? (He did write "folio", not "Folio"!) Bill Flis
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Marcello Perathoner wrote:
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Folio files Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:45:42 -0000 From: Charles Crosby <charlesjcrosby@btinternet.com> To: <webmaster@gutenberg.org>
I have downloaded a folio version of Gibbon's 'Decline and Fall...' What program do I need to read it? Hoping you can be of assistance, Charles Crosby.
The program I remember was called "Folio View" There once was a free reader, but it was discontinued. Michael
Michael Hart wrote:
The program I remember was called "Folio View"
There once was a free reader, but it was discontinued.
Then we should either get hold of a copy of that reader and offer it for download or delete the files. No point in holding files nobody can read. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Marcello Perathoner wrote:
Michael Hart wrote:
The program I remember was called "Folio View"
There once was a free reader, but it was discontinued.
Then we should either get hold of a copy of that reader and offer it for download or delete the files. No point in holding files nobody can read.
It is VERY important to keep example of files that once had free readers that are available no longer. . .if nothing more than examples of why we don't put everything into any particular proprietary format. Michael S. Hart
Michael Hart wrote:
It is VERY important to keep example of files that once had free readers that are available no longer. . .if nothing more than examples of why we don't put everything into any particular proprietary format.
Would there be a better way to keep those "examples" than to keep them in the collection buried beneath a ton of other files where they just pop up per chance to disgruntle users who inadvertently download them ? -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org
Marcello wrote:
Michael Hart wrote:
It is VERY important to keep example of files that once had free readers that are available no longer. . .if nothing more than examples of why we don't put everything into any particular proprietary format.
Would there be a better way to keep those "examples" than to keep them in the collection buried beneath a ton of other files where they just pop up per chance to disgruntle users who inadvertently download them ?
It does seem to me that old "texts" in a obsolete proprietary format be "retired" to a home of some sort. Keep them, but move them somewhere else. Btw, do the Folio version(s) exist in plain text or HTML form? Jon
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Jon Noring wrote:
Marcello wrote:
Michael Hart wrote:
It is VERY important to keep example of files that once had free readers that are available no longer. . .if nothing more than examples of why we don't put everything into any particular proprietary format.
Would there be a better way to keep those "examples" than to keep them in the collection buried beneath a ton of other files where they just pop up per chance to disgruntle users who inadvertently download them ?
It does seem to me that old "texts" in a obsolete proprietary format be "retired" to a home of some sort. Keep them, but move them somewhere else.
No. . .we want them right where people can see the effect of what would happen if they relied on proprietrary formats. "Lest we forget."
Btw, do the Folio version(s) exist in plain text or HTML form?
They must somewhere, but I don't have them. Michael
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Marcello Perathoner wrote:
Michael Hart wrote:
It is VERY important to keep example of files that once had free readers that are available no longer. . .if nothing more than examples of why we don't put everything into any particular proprietary format.
Would there be a better way to keep those "examples" than to keep them in the collection buried beneath a ton of other files where they just pop up per chance to disgruntle users who inadvertently download them ?
People SHOULD be disgruntled about such things. . . . We are NOT going to rewrite Project Gutenberg history to make it appear this didn't happen, nor are we going to downplay that it happened. I, personally, met with the President of Folio, before we embarked on this project, and he assured me that the free Folio reader would always be available. . .and he seemed far more friendly than Adobe ever has appeared. Michael
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Marcello Perathoner wrote:
Michael Hart wrote:
It is VERY important to keep example of files that once had free readers that are available no longer. . .if nothing more than examples of why we don't put everything into any particular proprietary format.
Would there be a better way to keep those "examples" than to keep them in the collection buried beneath a ton of other files where they just pop up per chance to disgruntle users who inadvertently download them ?
When old files get reposted in the new directory structure, any formats like this, that cannot be updated, are moved into an "old" directory. Is that something like what you were thinking? Andrew
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:56:11PM -0800, Andrew Sly wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Marcello Perathoner wrote:
Michael Hart wrote:
It is VERY important to keep example of files that once had free readers that are available no longer. . .if nothing more than examples of why we don't put everything into any particular proprietary format.
Would there be a better way to keep those "examples" than to keep them in the collection buried beneath a ton of other files where they just pop up per chance to disgruntle users who inadvertently download them ?
When old files get reposted in the new directory structure, any formats like this, that cannot be updated, are moved into an "old" directory.
Is that something like what you were thinking?
Andrew
While this is our usual method, unfortunately this particular title (#900) is its own eBook # in the Folio format. May 1997 Decline/Fall Of The Roman Empire, by Gibbon, Folio[dfre310f.xxx] 900 I think this is the only .nfo file we have. -- Greg
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