re: Reiterating Jon's points on the off-chance Bowerbird might read them [Was Re: [gutvol-d] Re: here ya go, joey]
i read jon's posts. i just don't reply to them. after having read jon's posts for too many years now, i know what they're gonna say before i read them, but i read them anyway. i know what he's gonna say so well by now i could write his posts for him. he's been on the same merry-go-round for a long time. after a while, i got dizzy. it's pretty easy for me to push his buttons. i switched from an [em] tag to an [i] tag just because i knew that would irritate him. :+) *** joey said:
He seems to flirt with being a useful person, but retreats from it whenever it gets close to fruition.
well, i've been toying with y'all for some time now, because i wanted to see just how long you would continue to assert that what i'm doing is "impossible". even though some of you seem to be inexhaustible, i've become bored with that now, so i've decided to furnish the pudding which contains the proof inside it. i've also been waiting for you to waste some of your valuable time in the futile task of doing x.m.l. markup, but i guess you are just too smart to fall for that trap. fortunately, so are the people you tried to persuade to do that markup for you, which is why none of it is done.
Most of us do not believe that a plain text file can convey the level of meta-data detail and accuracy available using heavier forms of markup, so we see "Plain text as primary format" as undesirable.
and "most of you" are just plain flat out wrong. you might be technically right, in that heavy markup _might_ do "more". but that's fairly irrelevant, since zen markup language can do "all that is necessary"... and although you and i might argue about what is "necessary", the end-user -- who ultimately has to _pay_ for the heavy markup you want to require -- has no question about that being a bad investment.
As it stands, I don't currently see this as a plausible reality.
you will learn. or be left behind. it's your choice... :+) -bowerbird
Bowerbird wrote:
i know what he's gonna say so well by now i could write his posts for him.
Great! I'm glad I'm being consistent.
it's pretty easy for me to push his buttons. i switched from an [em] tag to an [i] tag just because i knew that would irritate him. :+)
I noticed that, but didn't comment because I don't see your system going anywhere, to speak honestly. But if perchance PG/DP embraces some or all of your system, which has to be under an open standards/ open source arrangement, then I'll suggest the group consider conforming the markup parts of the system to current web and accessibility standards -- then the group can decide what makes sense.
well, i've been toying with y'all for some time now, because i wanted to see just how long you would continue to assert that what i'm doing is "impossible".
I don't think anyone said it was impossible. What they said is that it does not appear to solve the ultimate needs of PG and DP. That has yet to be demonstrated, but we wait for the final product. And if PG/DP loves it, then they will ask for ZML to become an open standard and for your codebase to be donated to them. From what you shave previously said you have no plans to donate your codebase to anyone, nor have you said anything about publishing (in detail) and allowing open use of your ZML format.
you might be technically right, in that heavy markup _might_ do "more". but that's fairly irrelevant, since zen markup language can do "all that is necessary"...
<laugh/> Bowerbird no doubt knows I'll repeat this from a few days ago: "Reminds me of Garrison Keillor and his Prairie Home Companion radio show, where in the fictional rural town of Lake Wobegon, its grocery store, 'Ralph's Pretty Good Grocery' has the motto: 'If you can't get it at Ralph's, you can probably get along without it.'"
"necessary", the end-user -- who ultimately has to _pay_ for the heavy markup you want to require -- has no question about that being a bad investment.
This is simply not true, whether we are talking about copyrighted (or Creative Commons) content, or public domain content. Refer to the comment I made (in response to yours) on Roger Sperberg's recent blog post at the TeleRead blog: http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=3620#comments (Roger also replied with his own answer. Roger works in the commercial publishing industry and knows his stuff, including the tools used...)
you will learn. or be left behind. it's your choice... :+)
<laugh/> The Borg: "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated." Jon
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