
I've heard in the past 2 weeks from two people who discovered that their mail server settings resulted in pglaf.org bouncing their messages to gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org (not necessarily through fault of their own). If you've sent messages to pglaf.org, but are not sure if they got through, you might want to send a test message or check the list archives (http://lists.pglaf.org). You can set your own list settings to get your own messages, and/or an acknowledgement message. The setting we use is to enforce the standard that mail servers (aka MTAs) must have reverse DNS entries (also known as PTRs). Several of the big ISPs, such as AOL, enforce this rule. Others don't. Mail from addresses with no corresponding PTR is (at pglaf.org) well over 99.9% likely to be spam. Over 10,000 such messages are blocked per week on the pglaf.org server using this single rule. The postfix server at pglaf.org has had this setting since the spring, and while I'm sure it has bounced some legitimate messages, it's only recently that anyone has brought any false positives to my attention. -- Greg

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:31:33 -0800, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote: | I've heard in the past 2 weeks from two people who discovered that | their mail server settings resulted in pglaf.org bouncing their | messages to gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org (not necessarily through fault of | their own). | | If you've sent messages to pglaf.org, but are not sure if they got | through, you might want to send a test message or check the list | archives (http://lists.pglaf.org). You can set your own list settings | to get your own messages, and/or an acknowledgement message. | | The setting we use is to enforce the standard that mail servers (aka | MTAs) must have reverse DNS entries (also known as PTRs). Several of | the big ISPs, such as AOL, enforce this rule. Others don't. Mail | from addresses with no corresponding PTR is (at pglaf.org) well over | 99.9% likely to be spam. Over 10,000 such messages are blocked | per week on the pglaf.org server using this single rule. | | The postfix server at pglaf.org has had this setting since the spring, | and while I'm sure it has bounced some legitimate messages, it's only | recently that anyone has brought any false positives to my attention. | -- Greg I am blocked and use BTConnect, BT is one of the largest ISPs in the UK -- Dave Fawthrop <hyphen hyphenologist co uk> <http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk> 8 Cooper Grove, Shelf, Halifax, HX3 7RF, UK, Tel/F/A +44(0)1274 691092. H 01274 677161 M: +44(0)7720455248

On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 06:59:48AM +0000, Dave Fawthrop wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:31:33 -0800, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
| I've heard in the past 2 weeks from two people who discovered that | their mail server settings resulted in pglaf.org bouncing their | messages to gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org (not necessarily through fault of | their own). | | If you've sent messages to pglaf.org, but are not sure if they got | through, you might want to send a test message or check the list | archives (http://lists.pglaf.org). You can set your own list settings | to get your own messages, and/or an acknowledgement message. | | The setting we use is to enforce the standard that mail servers (aka | MTAs) must have reverse DNS entries (also known as PTRs). Several of | the big ISPs, such as AOL, enforce this rule. Others don't. Mail | from addresses with no corresponding PTR is (at pglaf.org) well over | 99.9% likely to be spam. Over 10,000 such messages are blocked | per week on the pglaf.org server using this single rule. | | The postfix server at pglaf.org has had this setting since the spring, | and while I'm sure it has bounced some legitimate messages, it's only | recently that anyone has brought any false positives to my attention. | -- Greg
I am blocked and use BTConnect, BT is one of the largest ISPs in the UK
You don't seem to be blocked. Your message arrived. Do you have bounced messages? If so, please send them and I'll try to diagnose. -- gbn

I had repeated bounces of the following message, as described. This was sent to catalog twice and help once... Hi Sorry, I know this isn't the correct address, but this mail has bounced twice now from catalog AT pglaf.org My original message was: Hi Perhaps Long, William Joseph (1866 - 1952) http://www.gutenberg.net/catalog/world/authrec?fk_authors=744 and Long, William J. (1866 - 1952) http://www.gutenberg.net/catalog/world/authrec?fk_authors=3505 are the same person? Cheers! Bill Here's the second bounce report: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: FW: Duplicate author? Sent: 27/09/2004 12:51 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'catalog@pglaf.org' on 29/09/2004 12:51 PM The message was undeliverable because the recipient specified in the recipient postal address was not known at this address The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=AU;a= ;p=Matrikon;l=EXCHANGE-NCS-040927025037Z-16573

From the catalog point of view, this has been settled, but it does bring up a point...
I've seen in wikipedia and a few other places URLs constructed like the two below, using an "author number". After amalgamating the two author records below, one of them will no longer link to William Joseph Long. So this is just a warning that URLs formed like this are not necessarily permanant. Andrew On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 bkeir@pgdp.net wrote:
I had repeated bounces of the following message, as described. This was sent to catalog twice and help once...
Hi
Sorry, I know this isn't the correct address, but this mail has bounced twice now from catalog AT pglaf.org
My original message was:
Hi
Perhaps
Long, William Joseph (1866 - 1952)
http://www.gutenberg.net/catalog/world/authrec?fk_authors=744
and
Long, William J. (1866 - 1952)
http://www.gutenberg.net/catalog/world/authrec?fk_authors=3505
are the same person?
Cheers!
Bill
Here's the second bounce report:
Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
Subject: FW: Duplicate author? Sent: 27/09/2004 12:51 PM
The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
'catalog@pglaf.org' on 29/09/2004 12:51 PM The message was undeliverable because the recipient specified in the recipient postal address was not known at this address The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=AU;a= ;p=Matrikon;l=EXCHANGE-NCS-040927025037Z-16573
_______________________________________________ gutvol-d mailing list gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

I'm assuming numbers are used because it's easier on the programming side. But wouldn't it be easier for the users if it was the name instead. It probably has its downsides, but if author lookup was based on a name, then when the name was modified, the system could just look for the closest match(es). Or, I suppose, the author number could be forwarded, 3505 -> 744. On a side note, the cookies for personalizing the PG skin seem to teminate rather quickly. Usually they last less than a day, it seems. Has anyone else noticed this? Perhaps I should ask Marcello. Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Sly" <sly@victoria.tc.ca> To: "Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion" <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] pglaf.org settings might block some messages
From the catalog point of view, this has been settled, but it does bring up a point...
I've seen in wikipedia and a few other places URLs constructed like the two below, using an "author number". After amalgamating the two author records below, one of them will no longer link to William Joseph Long.
So this is just a warning that URLs formed like this are not necessarily permanant.
Andrew
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 bkeir@pgdp.net wrote:
I had repeated bounces of the following message, as described. This was sent to catalog twice and help once...
Hi
Sorry, I know this isn't the correct address, but this mail has bounced twice now from catalog AT pglaf.org
My original message was:
Hi
Perhaps
Long, William Joseph (1866 - 1952)
http://www.gutenberg.net/catalog/world/authrec?fk_authors=744
and
Long, William J. (1866 - 1952)
http://www.gutenberg.net/catalog/world/authrec?fk_authors=3505
are the same person?
Cheers!
Bill
Here's the second bounce report:
Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
Subject: FW: Duplicate author? Sent: 27/09/2004 12:51 PM
The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
'catalog@pglaf.org' on 29/09/2004 12:51 PM The message was undeliverable because the recipient specified in the recipient postal address was not known at this address The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=AU;a= ;p=Matrikon;l=EXCHANGE-NCS-040927025037Z-16573
_______________________________________________ gutvol-d mailing list gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d
_______________________________________________ gutvol-d mailing list gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

Joel A. Erickson wrote:
I'm assuming numbers are used because it's easier on the programming side. But wouldn't it be easier for the users if it was the name instead. It probably has its downsides, but if author lookup was based on a name, then when the name was modified, the system could just look for the closest match(es). Or, I suppose, the author number could be forwarded, 3505 -> 744.
The canonical url for linking to an author is http://www.gutenberg.org/author/Mark_Twain This is described in http://www.gutenberg.org/howto-link
On a side note, the cookies for personalizing the PG skin seem to teminate rather quickly. Usually they last less than a day, it seems. Has anyone else noticed this? Perhaps I should ask Marcello.
They should terminate a year from issue. Maybe your browser limits the duration to one session? -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org

Marcello Perathoner wrote:
The canonical url for linking to an author is
From a user point of view, since http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/12345 leads to the the etext record 12345, according to some reasoning the Mark Twain
But why couldn't that lead to the author record, instead of search results. link should lead to the Mark Twain author record. If there is no direct match, then it should be forwarded to the search results. Joel
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Andrew Sly
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bkeir@pgdp.net
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Dave Fawthrop
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Greg Newby
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Joel A. Erickson
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Marcello Perathoner