Bowerbird:

jon noring said:

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 Michael Hart is on moderation, as most of the others on TeBC.

unless something has changed recently, the headers clearly show michael's posts have had to be "approved" before posting.

Yes, as I said, Michael Hart, along with most of the other 2900+ subscribers of TeBC, are on moderation.

except for the occasional new subscriber, nobody else's headers show such "approval" was required before the message was posted.

At least half, if not the majority, of messages posted the last couple months have been moderated. As I've noted before, all newcomers are moderated -- the old-timers will eventually be switched to moderation. In fact, I almost did this switch before my trip to SF/Oregon a few weeks ago, but decided to do the switch afterwards. Soon...

whether this enforced moderation constitutes "censorship" or not depends on how we choose to define the word.  but my best guess is that michael feels that his voice is being silenced...

I'll let Michael state how much he really has been "censored". Ask him how many of his literally hundreds (or maybe over a thousand) of his messages to TeBC have been disallowed (Michael Hart is the number one poster to TeBC, and though I sometimes disagree with him, greatly cherish his message.) I know the number, and it is *very small* -- I mean an integer extremely close to zero. And the reasons had to do more with controlling an out-of-control topic than anything else. Anyway, Michael is also on moderation on the Book People list. Of course, there everyone is on moderation, as I plan to do soon.

and of course i've been _banned_outright_ from jon's listserve, for many years now. he will tell you that's because i was "rude" or some such nonsense. everyone knows it's because he wanted to silence me, because my comments gummed up his hype machine.

Laugh. Pot, Kettle, Black. (Referring to Bowerbird's claim in a message earlier today that Branko practices "historical revisionism".) Jon Noring

I should add that not only does Jon Noring censor me to a greater extent that I am aware of him censoring any others, he also makes efforts to get me censored on other lists by starting flame wars and then he is the first to say that _I_ am the cause. By the way, this is common practice among flamers. Lately my subscription underwent a dozen changes for a week's period and I mentioned this multiple times, but have had no responses. The result has been that I am not heard there today. There is always the possibility of starting an eBook list that does not have such "moderation" techniques, but something else would have to be done to keep that sort of thing from happening. . . . Perhaps just an automated warning that precedes notes from "moderated" individuals that says things like: "Jon Noring would like to warn you that this message is from someone he considers to be infra dignatorum." ;-) mh On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:

jon noring said:

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Michael Hart is on moderation, as most of the others on TeBC.

unless something has changed recently, the headers clearly show michael's posts have had to be "approved" before posting.

except for the occasional new subscriber, nobody else's headers show such "approval" was required before the message was posted.

whether this enforced moderation constitutes "censorship" or not depends on how we choose to define the word. but my best guess is that michael feels that his voice is being silenced...

and of course i've been _banned_outright_ from jon's listserve, for many years now. he will tell you that's because i was "rude" or some such nonsense. everyone knows it's because he wanted to silence me, because my comments gummed up his hype machine.

-bowerbird