On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 05:05:05PM -0400, Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:

greg said:

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The "say" is that we're all anxiously awaiting any completed eBooks demonstrating any or all ways of doing things.

ok, i will take you up on that. i've prepared some material, and programmed a demo app. where can i upload it?

Great! (I'm responding publicly so people can see we're moving forward... but details can go between us offline). Previously I set you up on snowy.arsc.alaska.edu, and this probably is still the right place. If you'd like to just make smaller stuff available to me via email, I can upload it there. Or, I can set up a username for you to ftp/scp or otherwise get content to. snowy has plenty of space, and is set up for ftp, http, and bittorrent. It also has a pretty complete set of Linux tools. -- Greg

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There will not be any decision about the official way of doing things (if there ever is) until some people create demonstrations.

well, i've created one demo already, and will make more. but...

how about if you correct the examples you've already got up, on the basis of the constructive criticism i've already offered? until you've done that, you're not really ready for many more...

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It's clear that light programming at gutenberg.org to make a given demo work is available. 

i don't need any programming help, thank you, just some server-space to upload my examples.

and, so that i can make examples using your content, i need for all of your scans to be individually available, rather than bundled up into a .zip file, or a djvu file...

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So is server space there or elsewhere. 

just give me a u.r.l. where scans will be located.

one thing that hasn't been discussed thus far is the generation of a "scan-set" for the e-texts that are a "new" project-gutenberg publication, i.e., an amalgamation of _several_ source-texts.

(jon, try to control that sputtering that is about to well up in your throat right now; it will soon pass...) ;+)

for the sake of completion across the library, they should have an associated "scan-set" too.

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nonetheless, greg, i think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself here, aren't you?, and falling behind at the same time.

or at least doing things in the wrong order.

there's lots of scan-sets sitting around.

it won't do much good to put more up until you know what you want to _do_ with them once they've been put up...

i know what you _should_ want to do with them, but i don't get the feeling that _you_ do. (or they'd _be_ up.)

so why don't we all discuss _that_?

once you've got that figured out, then i'll deliver to you the app that you need, and the decision about how to structure your scan-sets will be a lot easier to make.

it's been rather entertaining to watch the silliness of people making design decisions without much awareness at all of the tasks for which those decisions are being made.

and no, i'm not going to "just tell you". (well, i already have, several times now, but i guess that's beside the point, since nobody appears to be listening very well.)

you don't deserve to have the answers handed to you. further, if you have to tell me what you want before i deliver it, you won't be able to deny that it is right once i have delivered it to you...

so c'mon, show me you're smart enough to figure out on your own what you need here...

-bowerbird

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