jim, do you really believe people here are so stupid that they can't see right through what you're doing? you say something is formatted badly, but you don't say what needs to be done to format it how you'd like. because we could give you what you want, if you just told us what it is. but you don't want us to succeed... so you just keep saying, "no, that's not quite right..." sooner or later, though, most especially if you expect anyone to take your "html should be the master-format" suggestion seriously -- or even _consider_ doing it -- you're going to need to take a stand on the formatting. and hey, even if you're not capable of _creating_ one, you can point people to a book you think is well-done. i'm not talking about some vague "there are some books coming out of d.p. that are fairly well-done" mumbling. give us the p.g. number of a specific title. what you _cannot_ do is to continue to evade the point. because i am hunting you down, jim. -bowerbird