Re: [gutvol-d] Apostrophe versus turned comma
I WWed that book and left the apostrophe as per the files submitted. I noticed the turned comma had not been used, but I'm not aware that its use is compulsory if someone prefers to use an apostrophe for the omission of the "c". Jacqueline On Tuesday, 28 September 2021, 04:30:29 am ACST, gutvol-d-request@lists.pglaf.org <gutvol-d-request@lists.pglaf.org> wrote: Send gutvol-d mailing list submissions to gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gutvol-d-request@lists.pglaf.org You can reach the person managing the list at gutvol-d-owner@lists.pglaf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of gutvol-d digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Apostrophe versus turned comma - Mc, Mac, etc. (Paul Flo Williams) 2. Re: Apostrophe versus turned comma - Mc, Mac, etc. (jeroen@bohol.ph) Seeing the latest posting of "The Invasion of India", apparently by a "J. W. M'Crindle" (#66388), I wonder why his name is rendered with an apostrophe, instead of either the turned comma (open single quote) or a simple "c". His name was John Watson McCrindle (1825-1913), and the Internet Archive version of the book clearly shows that the turned comma is used for his name, the normal printer's approximation of the superscript "c". Using the apostrophe like this means that "The Invasion of India" isn't found when searching for McCrindle, even though his other book on PG, "The Commerce of the Navigation of the Erythræan Sea" is correctly attributed. There's a very good essay by Michael Collins about this: http://greenbag.org/v12n3/v12n3_collins.pdf Regards, Paul I've seen this usage a few times in older books. If the symbol is encoded as an apostrophe, this probably is a simple oversight, or because it was seen as a straight apostrophe and "curlified" automatically. Encoding it correctly (with the turned comma aka open single quote, or the more obscure modifier letter turned comma) would not resolve your issue with finding/not finding the author name, which I think should be done by amending the metadata with variant spellings and if applicable pseudonyms of authors. I normally try to provide add such information in my submissions. Jeroen. Quoting Paul Flo Williams <paul@frixxon.co.uk>:
Seeing the latest posting of "The Invasion of India", apparently by a "J. W. M'Crindle" (#66388), I wonder why his name is rendered with an apostrophe, instead of either the turned comma (open single quote) or a simple "c". His name was John Watson McCrindle (1825-1913), and the Internet Archive version of the book clearly shows that the turned comma is used for his name, the normal printer's approximation of the superscript "c".
Using the apostrophe like this means that "The Invasion of India" isn't found when searching for McCrindle, even though his other book on PG, "The Commerce of the Navigation of the Erythræan Sea" is correctly attributed.
There's a very good essay by Michael Collins about this: http://greenbag.org/v12n3/v12n3_collins.pdf
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Dear Paul, others: This is now fixed. Background: When new items are posted, some automatic cataloging occurs. This automation is sometimes incorrect, especially for authors any complexity in the name, or variations versus what is currently in our catalog's authority record. The human catalog team then tends to new postings, typically within a few days, and makes any needed updates. This has now happened for the author mentioned below. Best regards, Greg On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 03:48:47AM +0000, Jacqueline Jeremy wrote:
I WWed that book and left the apostrophe as per the files submitted. I noticed the turned comma had not been used, but I'm not aware that its use is compulsory if someone prefers to use an apostrophe for the omission of the "c". Jacqueline On Tuesday, 28 September 2021, 04:30:29 am ACST, gutvol-d-request@lists.pglaf.org <gutvol-d-request@lists.pglaf.org> wrote:
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1. Apostrophe versus turned comma - Mc, Mac, etc. (Paul Flo Williams) 2. Re: Apostrophe versus turned comma - Mc, Mac, etc. (jeroen@bohol.ph) Seeing the latest posting of "The Invasion of India", apparently by a "J. W. M'Crindle" (#66388), I wonder why his name is rendered with an apostrophe, instead of either the turned comma (open single quote) or a simple "c". His name was John Watson McCrindle (1825-1913), and the Internet Archive version of the book clearly shows that the turned comma is used for his name, the normal printer's approximation of the superscript "c".
Using the apostrophe like this means that "The Invasion of India" isn't found when searching for McCrindle, even though his other book on PG, "The Commerce of the Navigation of the Erythræan Sea" is correctly attributed.
There's a very good essay by Michael Collins about this: http://greenbag.org/v12n3/v12n3_collins.pdf
Regards, Paul
I've seen this usage a few times in older books. If the symbol is encoded as an apostrophe, this probably is a simple oversight, or because it was seen as a straight apostrophe and "curlified" automatically.
Encoding it correctly (with the turned comma aka open single quote, or the more obscure modifier letter turned comma) would not resolve your issue with finding/not finding the author name, which I think should be done by amending the metadata with variant spellings and if applicable pseudonyms of authors. I normally try to provide add such information in my submissions.
Jeroen.
Quoting Paul Flo Williams <paul@frixxon.co.uk>:
Seeing the latest posting of "The Invasion of India", apparently by a "J. W. M'Crindle" (#66388), I wonder why his name is rendered with an apostrophe, instead of either the turned comma (open single quote) or a simple "c". His name was John Watson McCrindle (1825-1913), and the Internet Archive version of the book clearly shows that the turned comma is used for his name, the normal printer's approximation of the superscript "c".
Using the apostrophe like this means that "The Invasion of India" isn't found when searching for McCrindle, even though his other book on PG, "The Commerce of the Navigation of the Erythræan Sea" is correctly attributed.
There's a very good essay by Michael Collins about this: http://greenbag.org/v12n3/v12n3_collins.pdf
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