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At 09:26 PM 10/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Ooops! I meant The World's Free Public Library.
Hello. I don't mean to nitpick, but that isn't true. Unfortunately not everyone in the world can download every PG book since some are still under copyright in Europe and now Mexico. If we're going to use a place name, it would be the USA's free public library which eliminates most other places since copyright clearance is only done for US copyright laws. That doesn't count PG of Australia though which has different laws, or PG of Canada. However, if someone from Europe downloads a book that is still under copyright in their country even though it is public domain in the US, this leads to confusion by saying the world's public library. It's a nice thought though and for the older books it would apply nicely.
Tony Baechler wrote:
At 09:26 PM 10/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Ooops! I meant The World's Free Public Library.
Hello. I don't mean to nitpick, but that isn't true. Unfortunately not everyone in the world can download every PG book since some are still under copyright in Europe and now Mexico. If we're going to use a place name, it would be the USA's free public library which eliminates most other places since copyright clearance is only done for US copyright laws. That doesn't count PG of Australia though which has different laws, or PG of Canada. However, if someone from Europe downloads a book that is still under copyright in their country even though it is public domain in the US, this leads to confusion by saying the world's public library. It's a nice thought though and for the older books it would apply nicely.
I would still call it the world's free public library (or bookshop), and would consider those who want to lock themselves out, out of this world. Jeroen.
On 10/29/05, Jeroen Hellingman (Mailing List Account) <jeroen.mailinglist@bohol.ph> wrote:
I would still call it the world's free public library (or bookshop), and would consider those who want to lock themselves out, out of this world.
It is after all usual for the US to consider themselves as the World :). The gutenberg.org site doesn't show you the books on the various Gutenberg sites which are copyright free outside the US -- until they do that, they have no claim to be the World's anything. -- Jon Ingram
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 02:02 AM 10/29/2005, you wrote:
At 09:26 PM 10/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Ooops! I meant The World's Free Public Library.
Hello. I don't mean to nitpick, but that isn't true. Unfortunately not everyone in the world can download every PG book since some are still under copyright in Europe and now Mexico. If we're going to use a place name, it would be the USA's free public library which eliminates most other places since copyright clearance is only done for US copyright laws. That doesn't count PG of Australia though which has different laws, or PG of Canada. However, if someone from Europe downloads a book that is still under copyright in their country even though it is public domain in the US, this leads to confusion by saying the world's public library. It's a nice thought though and for the older books it would apply nicely.
From what I understand, PG gives books away to the world. If their local copyright laws make it illegal for them to use our library, it makes no difference. We are still the world's public library because the world, as far as we are concerned, is welcome. It's like if documents published by the World Health Organization were made illegal in a specific country or group of countries, it wouldn't make the World Health Organization any less of a world health organization. Just because some countries choose not to partake, that does not mean that the nature or mission of the organization has changed. Sincerely Aaron Cannon - -- E-mail: cannona@fireantproductions.com Skype: cannona MSN Messenger: cannona@hotmail.com (Do not send E-mail to the hotmail address.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.959 Comment: Key available from all major key servers. iD8DBQFDY5OOI7J99hVZuJcRAgujAKCYQrt1gexH6ElKD3kY/gqVtK96/wCg16Dy ufk6hQWU9ZmIsw8k2C8NV1k= =GzBi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
From: "Aaron Cannon" <cannona@fireantproductions.com>
It's like if documents published by the World Health Organization were made illegal in a specific country or group of countries, it wouldn't make the World Health Organization any less of a world health organization. Just because some countries choose not to partake, that does not mean that the nature or mission of the organization has changed.
That might be true, if Gutenberg also offered books that were illegal in the US, and we had to skip them. It is, in fact, a site based in the US firmly guided by US law. The mission of Project Gutenberg is to make books legal in the US to distribute free, available to people whose laws are compatible with US laws on the particular book. US law is not a world standard from which other countries choose to deviate. Dave Doty
On 10/30/05, Dave Doty <davedoty@hotmail.com> wrote:
US law is not a world standard from which other countries choose to deviate.
Although it seems to be fast becoming that way. With the increase in globalisation, things like copyright law are becoming more standard and in the respect unfortunately US law *is* becoming the standard. Ian
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:09:25 +0900, Ian MacLean <imaclean@gmail.com> wrote: | On 10/30/05, Dave Doty <davedoty@hotmail.com> wrote: | > | > | > | > US law is not a world standard from which other countries choose to | > deviate. | | | Although it seems to be fast becoming that way. With the increase in | globalisation, things like copyright law are becoming more standard and in | the respect unfortunately US law *is* becoming the standard. No the world is going to Life + 70. The USA is as always out of step. -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> "Intelligent Design?" my knees say *not*. "Intelligent Design?" my back says *not*. More like "Incompetent design"
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Ian MacLean wrote:
Although it seems to be fast becoming that way. With the increase in globalisation, things like copyright law are becoming more standard and in the respect unfortunately US law *is* becoming the standard.
That's an interesting argument, but I would tend to disagree. Copyright is one of those things that I've found becomes more and more complex the closer you look into it. That includes differences of large scale and small nuances between different countries. And while the U.S. in in theory a life+70 country, no copyright terms will be expiring under that rule for quite some time yet. Looked at from the point of view of what works copyright has expired on, the U.S. is in a rather unique position in the world. Andrew
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