and again, i'm no longer reading jim adcock's posts, so if he makes any points you'd like me to address, you will need to rephrase them in your own words... also, if you think anyone else in my kill-filter, like marcello or lee passey or josh whatshisname or david starner or the bad alex, makes a post which i should consider for my $2 "positive contribution", you should rephrase that, and attribute accordingly. thank you. have a nice day. :+) -bowerbird