Seeking advice on formatting of magazine-type content
I've previously completed a reasonable number of proof-readings of book content and now I've begun preparing the content of a large annual of weekly magazines - I have already received my copyright clearance. My annual was published in 1905-6 and is in fair condition, but not suitable for flat-bed scanning; the pages are somewhat yellowed. I'm using a LG LSM-100 Scanner Mouse and I've completed initial scanning of the first issue of this magazine. I'm creating separate PNG files for each complete page and of each distinct illustration; these need further work. Based on my previous proof-reading, I'm working on correcting the initial OCR text in plain text files. I'm using the folder structure as follows... Annual pngs (of annual only) text (of annual only) Issue 1 pngs (of Issue 1 only) text (of Issue 1 only) (etc) Each weekly magazine comprises fictional and non-fictional material. Initially, I plan to treat each issue of about 16 pages as a project and the annual as a separate project. I'm also thinking that where articles are episodic, I feel it is worth considering side projects in which the episodes for a given article are assembled as a unit. The annual has a good table of contents using page numbers; in the ebook format, the page numbers might usefully be converted into issue number and article-in-issue number (like 1395.1). In the first issue, I've seen only one page reference to an issue pre-dating this annual. In the Project Gutenberg catalog, I see there are quite a number of other magazines, so I can use them as a guide though I realize there are experienced final-formatters out there. I would welcome pointers to relevant information to help me proceed and, if possible, contact with someone who has worked on this kind of material. How do I go about creating the project structure for others to help with proof-reading, etc, in due course? Where can I find advice on cleaning up illustrations? Thanks for your patience, Roger
Roger, the best people to consult with are probably the DPers handling periodical material like Punch, Atlantic Monthly, Notes and Queries, etc. I've never heard of any of those projects having individual series extracted as separate projects/submissions to PG. Al -----Original Message----- From: gutvol-d-bounces@lists.pglaf.org [mailto:gutvol-d-bounces@lists.pglaf.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lee Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:30 PM To: gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org Subject: [gutvol-d] Seeking advice on formatting of magazine-type content I've previously completed a reasonable number of proof-readings of book content and now I've begun preparing the content of a large annual of weekly magazines - I have already received my copyright clearance. My annual was published in 1905-6 and is in fair condition, but not suitable for flat-bed scanning; the pages are somewhat yellowed. I'm using a LG LSM-100 Scanner Mouse and I've completed initial scanning of the first issue of this magazine. I'm creating separate PNG files for each complete page and of each distinct illustration; these need further work. Based on my previous proof-reading, I'm working on correcting the initial OCR text in plain text files. I'm using the folder structure as follows... Annual pngs (of annual only) text (of annual only) Issue 1 pngs (of Issue 1 only) text (of Issue 1 only) (etc) Each weekly magazine comprises fictional and non-fictional material. Initially, I plan to treat each issue of about 16 pages as a project and the annual as a separate project. I'm also thinking that where articles are episodic, I feel it is worth considering side projects in which the episodes for a given article are assembled as a unit. The annual has a good table of contents using page numbers; in the ebook format, the page numbers might usefully be converted into issue number and article-in-issue number (like 1395.1). In the first issue, I've seen only one page reference to an issue pre-dating this annual. In the Project Gutenberg catalog, I see there are quite a number of other magazines, so I can use them as a guide though I realize there are experienced final-formatters out there. I would welcome pointers to relevant information to help me proceed and, if possible, contact with someone who has worked on this kind of material. How do I go about creating the project structure for others to help with proof-reading, etc, in due course? Where can I find advice on cleaning up illustrations? Thanks for your patience, Roger
There is a team called "Proofing Periodicals" at DP. --Andrew On Wed, 21 Dec 2011, Al Haines wrote:
Roger, the best people to consult with are probably the DPers handling periodical material like Punch, Atlantic Monthly, Notes and Queries, etc. I've never heard of any of those projects having individual series extracted as separate projects/submissions to PG.
Al
Andrew, Thanks - I tried googling for "distributed proofreaders periodicals" without success. Can you suggest a way to contact them more directly than just asking for someone on that to to get in touch with me? Roger On 22 December 2011 07:52, Andrew Sly <sly@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
There is a team called "Proofing Periodicals" at DP.
--Andrew
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011, Al Haines wrote:
Roger, the best people to consult with are probably the DPers handling periodical material like Punch, Atlantic Monthly, Notes and Queries, etc. I've never heard of any of those projects having individual series extracted as separate projects/submissions to PG.
Al
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Go to DP's Forum index: http://www.pgdp.net/phpBB2/index.php, click on Team Talk, "Proofing Periodicals" is about half-way down the page. Al -----Original Message----- From: gutvol-d-bounces@lists.pglaf.org [mailto:gutvol-d-bounces@lists.pglaf.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lee Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:56 PM To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Seeking advice on formatting of magazine-type content Andrew, Thanks - I tried googling for "distributed proofreaders periodicals" without success. Can you suggest a way to contact them more directly than just asking for someone on that to to get in touch with me? Roger On 22 December 2011 07:52, Andrew Sly <sly@victoria.tc.ca> wrote: There is a team called "Proofing Periodicals" at DP. --Andrew On Wed, 21 Dec 2011, Al Haines wrote:
Roger, the best people to consult with are probably the DPers handling periodical material like Punch, Atlantic Monthly, Notes and Queries, etc. I've never heard of any of those projects having individual series extracted as separate projects/submissions to PG.
Al
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For what it's worth, I've worked on all the issues of one periodical. What I've ended up doing is releasing each issue as an individual PG item, and doing one "complete" version, including the index linking things together. --Andrew On Mon, 19 Dec 2011, Roger Lee wrote:
I've previously completed a reasonable number of proof-readings of book content and now I've begun preparing the content of a large annual of weekly magazines - I have already received my copyright clearance.
My annual was published in 1905-6 and is in fair condition, but not suitable for flat-bed scanning; the pages are somewhat yellowed. I'm using a LG LSM-100 Scanner Mouse and I've completed initial scanning of the first issue of this magazine. I'm creating separate PNG files for each complete page and of each distinct illustration; these need further work. Based on my previous proof-reading, I'm working on correcting the initial OCR text in plain text files. I'm using the folder structure as follows...
Annual pngs (of annual only) text (of annual only) Issue 1 pngs (of Issue 1 only) text (of Issue 1 only) (etc)
Each weekly magazine comprises fictional and non-fictional material. Initially, I plan to treat each issue of about 16 pages as a project and the annual as a separate project. I'm also thinking that where articles are episodic, I feel it is worth considering side projects in which the episodes for a given article are assembled as a unit. The annual has a good table of contents using page numbers; in the ebook format, the page numbers might usefully be converted into issue number and article-in-issue number (like 1395.1). In the first issue, I've seen only one page reference to an issue pre-dating this annual.
In the Project Gutenberg catalog, I see there are quite a number of other magazines, so I can use them as a guide though I realize there are experienced final-formatters out there. I would welcome pointers to relevant information to help me proceed and, if possible, contact with someone who has worked on this kind of material.
How do I go about creating the project structure for others to help with proof-reading, etc, in due course?
Where can I find advice on cleaning up illustrations?
Thanks for your patience, Roger
I like periodicals and have prepared a lot of them for DP. I always treat each issue as a separate project/book. If there is index material, I include it with either the first or last issue, depending on where it appears in the volume. For serialized stories, particularly novels, I've often thought that it would be nice to see these posted to PG as separate entities for those who want to follow one story. Even where the story is very well-known (for example Under the Lilacs by Louisa May Alcott, from St. Nicholas) there may be unique illustrations and/or potentially textual differences from the later publication as a novel. I don't have the skills to do it, and only one post-processor has chosen to do so (with one novel), so I guess it's not a popular idea. I've also prepped a children's annual that apparently was much more common in its bound form than as individual issues. Since I couldn't tell where the issues started and stopped, and since one of my fond memories from childhood is having to follow a story as it appeared in pieces throughout the book (lots of page flipping!), the whole thing was done as a single volume. It's a heroic work to put together after proof-reading. Two are in PG now (Chatterbox 1905, Chatterbox 1906) and you might have a look at them to get some ideas. There's another one in process at DP. JulietS On 12/22/2011 1:00 AM, Andrew Sly wrote:
For what it's worth, I've worked on all the issues of one periodical. What I've ended up doing is releasing each issue as an individual PG item, and doing one "complete" version, including the index linking things together.
--Andrew
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011, Roger Lee wrote:
I've previously completed a reasonable number of proof-readings of book content and now I've begun preparing the content of a large annual of weekly magazines - I have already received my copyright clearance.
My annual was published in 1905-6 and is in fair condition, but not suitable for flat-bed scanning; the pages are somewhat yellowed. I'm using a LG LSM-100 Scanner Mouse and I've completed initial scanning of the first issue of this magazine. I'm creating separate PNG files for each complete page and of each distinct illustration; these need further work. Based on my previous proof-reading, I'm working on correcting the initial OCR text in plain text files. I'm using the folder structure as follows...
Annual pngs (of annual only) text (of annual only) Issue 1 pngs (of Issue 1 only) text (of Issue 1 only) (etc)
Each weekly magazine comprises fictional and non-fictional material. Initially, I plan to treat each issue of about 16 pages as a project and the annual as a separate project. I'm also thinking that where articles are episodic, I feel it is worth considering side projects in which the episodes for a given article are assembled as a unit. The annual has a good table of contents using page numbers; in the ebook format, the page numbers might usefully be converted into issue number and article-in-issue number (like 1395.1). In the first issue, I've seen only one page reference to an issue pre-dating this annual.
In the Project Gutenberg catalog, I see there are quite a number of other magazines, so I can use them as a guide though I realize there are experienced final-formatters out there. I would welcome pointers to relevant information to help me proceed and, if possible, contact with someone who has worked on this kind of material.
How do I go about creating the project structure for others to help with proof-reading, etc, in due course?
Where can I find advice on cleaning up illustrations?
Thanks for your patience, Roger
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Hi Juliet, I'm not sure, but I think it was you that issued the clearance for my annual of weekly periodical issues. You may be very busy with your other activities, but your comments suggest that we may have similar interests in your Chatterbox and my (British) magazine for boys. My annual has a clear separation between each issue. I just took a look at the Chatterbox 1906 html and text views and it has confirmed for me that a similar presentation is called for, though I think it should be simple for me to separate the issues. I am less sure of the logistics of assembling the entire annual without duplicating the files in project for the annual. I see that Chatterbox 1906 preserves page numbers - is that only for certain specific output formats? An ebook format may have different size page displays so I imagine page numbers would get in the way, but maybe that's just me being naive. I think the best thing to do is for me to begin by creating a project for the first issue from my annual, upload the materials and take it from there. There is no reason why I shouldn't be both the PM and CP is there? I'm retired and attached to my computer most of the time when not playing badminton and seeing to our smallholding. I guess I'm kind of fishing for how interested/willing you might be to advise on an on-going basis as you may well have lots of other calls on your time. I would most definitely value your opinion and experience from your work on periodicals and other works. Kind regards to you and others who replied to my query, Roger On 22 December 2011 14:08, Juliet Sutherland <vze3rknp@verizon.net> wrote:
I like periodicals and have prepared a lot of them for DP. I always treat each issue as a separate project/book. If there is index material, I include it with either the first or last issue, depending on where it appears in the volume. For serialized stories, particularly novels, I've often thought that it would be nice to see these posted to PG as separate entities for those who want to follow one story. Even where the story is very well-known (for example Under the Lilacs by Louisa May Alcott, from St. Nicholas) there may be unique illustrations and/or potentially textual differences from the later publication as a novel. I don't have the skills to do it, and only one post-processor has chosen to do so (with one novel), so I guess it's not a popular idea.
I've also prepped a children's annual that apparently was much more common in its bound form than as individual issues. Since I couldn't tell where the issues started and stopped, and since one of my fond memories from childhood is having to follow a story as it appeared in pieces throughout the book (lots of page flipping!), the whole thing was done as a single volume. It's a heroic work to put together after proof-reading. Two are in PG now (Chatterbox 1905, Chatterbox 1906) and you might have a look at them to get some ideas. There's another one in process at DP.
JulietS
On 12/22/2011 1:00 AM, Andrew Sly wrote:
For what it's worth, I've worked on all the issues of one periodical. What I've ended up doing is releasing each issue as an individual PG item, and doing one "complete" version, including the index linking things together.
--Andrew
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011, Roger Lee wrote:
I've previously completed a reasonable number of proof-readings of book
content and now I've begun preparing the content of a large annual of weekly magazines - I have already received my copyright clearance.
My annual was published in 1905-6 and is in fair condition, but not suitable for flat-bed scanning; the pages are somewhat yellowed. I'm using a LG LSM-100 Scanner Mouse and I've completed initial scanning of the first issue of this magazine. I'm creating separate PNG files for each complete page and of each distinct illustration; these need further work. Based on my previous proof-reading, I'm working on correcting the initial OCR text in plain text files. I'm using the folder structure as follows...
Annual pngs (of annual only) text (of annual only) Issue 1 pngs (of Issue 1 only) text (of Issue 1 only) (etc)
Each weekly magazine comprises fictional and non-fictional material. Initially, I plan to treat each issue of about 16 pages as a project and the annual as a separate project. I'm also thinking that where articles are episodic, I feel it is worth considering side projects in which the episodes for a given article are assembled as a unit. The annual has a good table of contents using page numbers; in the ebook format, the page numbers might usefully be converted into issue number and article-in-issue number (like 1395.1). In the first issue, I've seen only one page reference to an issue pre-dating this annual.
In the Project Gutenberg catalog, I see there are quite a number of other magazines, so I can use them as a guide though I realize there are experienced final-formatters out there. I would welcome pointers to relevant information to help me proceed and, if possible, contact with someone who has worked on this kind of material.
How do I go about creating the project structure for others to help with proof-reading, etc, in due course?
Where can I find advice on cleaning up illustrations?
Thanks for your patience, Roger
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Roger, I wrote a manual on e-books for the One Laptop Per Child project which might give you some ideas on scanning magazines and cleaning up images, etc. You can check out the relevant chapter here: http://en.flossmanuals.net/e-book-enlightenment/scanning-book-pages/ James Simmons On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Roger Lee <rrjlee@gmail.com> wrote:
I've previously completed a reasonable number of proof-readings of book content and now I've begun preparing the content of a large annual of weekly magazines - I have already received my copyright clearance.
My annual was published in 1905-6 and is in fair condition, but not suitable for flat-bed scanning; the pages are somewhat yellowed. I'm using a LG LSM-100 Scanner Mouse and I've completed initial scanning of the first issue of this magazine. I'm creating separate PNG files for each complete page and of each distinct illustration; these need further work. Based on my previous proof-reading, I'm working on correcting the initial OCR text in plain text files. I'm using the folder structure as follows...
Annual pngs (of annual only) text (of annual only) Issue 1 pngs (of Issue 1 only) text (of Issue 1 only) (etc)
Each weekly magazine comprises fictional and non-fictional material. Initially, I plan to treat each issue of about 16 pages as a project and the annual as a separate project. I'm also thinking that where articles are episodic, I feel it is worth considering side projects in which the episodes for a given article are assembled as a unit. The annual has a good table of contents using page numbers; in the ebook format, the page numbers might usefully be converted into issue number and article-in-issue number (like 1395.1). In the first issue, I've seen only one page reference to an issue pre-dating this annual.
In the Project Gutenberg catalog, I see there are quite a number of other magazines, so I can use them as a guide though I realize there are experienced final-formatters out there. I would welcome pointers to relevant information to help me proceed and, if possible, contact with someone who has worked on this kind of material.
How do I go about creating the project structure for others to help with proof-reading, etc, in due course?
Where can I find advice on cleaning up illustrations?
Thanks for your patience, Roger
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James, Thanks for responding and for the link - very interesting. I'll take a longer look. Roger On 22 December 2011 15:16, James Simmons <nicestep@gmail.com> wrote:
Roger,
I wrote a manual on e-books for the One Laptop Per Child project which might give you some ideas on scanning magazines and cleaning up images, etc. You can check out the relevant chapter here:
http://en.flossmanuals.net/e-book-enlightenment/scanning-book-pages/
James Simmons
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Roger Lee <rrjlee@gmail.com> wrote:
I've previously completed a reasonable number of proof-readings of book content and now I've begun preparing the content of a large annual of weekly magazines - I have already received my copyright clearance.
My annual was published in 1905-6 and is in fair condition, but not suitable for flat-bed scanning; the pages are somewhat yellowed. I'm using a LG LSM-100 Scanner Mouse and I've completed initial scanning of the first issue of this magazine. I'm creating separate PNG files for each complete page and of each distinct illustration; these need further work. Based on my previous proof-reading, I'm working on correcting the initial OCR text in plain text files. I'm using the folder structure as follows...
Annual pngs (of annual only) text (of annual only) Issue 1 pngs (of Issue 1 only) text (of Issue 1 only) (etc)
Each weekly magazine comprises fictional and non-fictional material. Initially, I plan to treat each issue of about 16 pages as a project and the annual as a separate project. I'm also thinking that where articles are episodic, I feel it is worth considering side projects in which the episodes for a given article are assembled as a unit. The annual has a good table of contents using page numbers; in the ebook format, the page numbers might usefully be converted into issue number and article-in-issue number (like 1395.1). In the first issue, I've seen only one page reference to an issue pre-dating this annual.
In the Project Gutenberg catalog, I see there are quite a number of other magazines, so I can use them as a guide though I realize there are experienced final-formatters out there. I would welcome pointers to relevant information to help me proceed and, if possible, contact with someone who has worked on this kind of material.
How do I go about creating the project structure for others to help with proof-reading, etc, in due course?
Where can I find advice on cleaning up illustrations?
Thanks for your patience, Roger
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