In real life, MSIE is a defacto standard, and not fixing your code to work with it is being an ideological pain in the ass that doesn't like to work with reality.

Exactly. Its a good thing my code works in everything, from PDA to full blown xinerama-enabled desktop with browser, without any changes or hacks or workarounds required. But I agree with part of your statement. There are thousaands of sites out there that don't take the same level of care that I take with my code, to ensure this overly-pedantic level of compatibility.

I don't have an option which browser to use. Many other people just don't care enough about computers and your causes to switch.

These aren't "my causes". If users want a richer Internet browsing experience, they'll explore the alternatives, or they won't. If they want to reduce their level of maliscious exposure, they'll explorer the other alternatives, or they won't. If companies want to reduce the amount of technical support calls and man hours required to support MSIE, they'll switch to a standards-compliant browser, or they won't. The choice is theirs.

Let's support our users as they come, and not ignore them because they aren't interested in computers.

I support several thousand users in various capacities and across many dozens of projects, including my own. As a mentor, educator, and student myself, it is part of my process to present all of the possible choices to solve a particular problem to the user, and let them decide. Just saying that you can't support suggesting the alternatives because Microsoft has a larger percentage of their file manager in use on the desktop environment, isn't fair to the end-user. But this is getting way off topic, into the realm of religious wars about "Which editor is best?" (vi, of course ;), or browser wars. Let's get back to focusing on the issues related to PG and making the project and ancillary support tools and formats better and better. David A. Desrosiers desrod@gnu-designs.com http://gnu-designs.com