The site makes it very clear on the front page that they are not affliated with PG, so I've got no problem with it. I'd prefer a different domain name, but obviously we don't own the domain name, so it was free for anyone to take, I suppose. At least this one is actually something to do with eBooks and not a porn site or something... :) Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcello Perathoner" <marcello@perathoner.de> To: "Project Gutenberg volunteer discussion" <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Subject: [gutvol-d] Another PG 'clone' Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:06:05 +0100
How do we like this one?
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The site makes it very clear on the front page that they are not affliated with PG, so I've got no problem with it. I'd prefer a different domain name, but obviously we don't own the domain name, so it was free for anyone to take, I suppose. At least this one is actually something to do with eBooks and not a porn site or something... :)
But aren't they using the Gutenberg name to drive banner ad revenue to them, instead of to the "real" Gutenberg sites and pages? With a bit of creative SEO, they could end up with a PR8 or higher, knocking you off the SERPS for Google and Yahoo hits. They may say they're not affiliated with Project Gutenberg, but if you look at their meta keywords, they certainly are making that direct association, because they mention 'project gutenberg' a few times. David A. Desrosiers desrod@gnu-designs.com http://gnu-designs.com
At 02:34 PM 14/03/05 -0500, you wrote:
But aren't they using the Gutenberg name to drive banner ad revenue to them, instead of to the "real" Gutenberg sites and pages? With a bit of creative SEO, they could end up with a PR8 or higher, knocking you off the SERPS for Google and Yahoo hits.
They may say they're not affiliated with Project Gutenberg, but if you look at their meta keywords, they certainly are making that direct association, because they mention 'project gutenberg' a few times.
and with their top ebooks list, they are actually linking to Project Gutenberg. JH ================================================================================ "I'm not likely to write a great novel or compose a song or save a baby from a burning building...but I can help make sure that there is an electronic library of free knowledge available for future people to access."--jhutch. Preserving History One Page at a Time!! Celebrating our 6000th book posted to Project Gutenberg Join Project Gutenberg's Distributed Proofreaders http://www.pgdp.net/c/ ================================================================================
Here's the information from whois about the domain registrant. Does anyone know Chris Andrews? According to his web site (http://www.chrisandrews.com), he was an early participant in multimedia CD-ROMs. He has a page on his site about digital publishing, but there seems to be very little information there. Registrant: Chris Andrews (GUTENBERG-DOM) po box 1330 los altos, CA 84024 US Domain Name: GUTENBERG.COM Administrative Contact: Andrews, Chris (30036170I) chris@chrisandrews.com Chris Andrews PO Box 3550 Los Altos, CA 94024 US 650-599-3747 fax: 650-599-3747 Technical Contact: Network Solutions, LLC. (HOST-ORG) customerservice@networksolutions.com 13200 Woodland Park Drive Herndon, VA 20171-3025 US 1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620 Record expires on 02-Mar-2012. Record created on 01-Mar-1995. Database last updated on 14-Mar-2005 14:36:53 EST. Domain servers in listed order: NS41.WORLDNIC.COM 216.168.228.23 NS42.WORLDNIC.COM 216.168.225.172 On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Joshua Hutchinson wrote:
The site makes it very clear on the front page that they are not affliated with PG, so I've got no problem with it. I'd prefer a different domain name, but obviously we don't own the domain name, so it was free for anyone to take, I suppose. At least this one is actually something to do with eBooks and not a porn site or something... :)
Josh
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Hi Everybody, They are definately using PG for what they can get. Their disclaimer is a good thing, but they are VIOLATING Nettique: To download there so-called free books they link up to the PG site in a Frame, where their navbar is at the bottom!! This should not be done !! As they are not affilliated not I doubt have permission to the PG site in such a manner. Furthermore they are using the PG resources to make money, that is: linking directly to the PG site and using the PG Disk space for their service. They should either fork over some money or link to a new window!! That is the way to do it !!! Just my 0 Euro cents worth: 2 Euro cents added value tax deducted Keith. Am 14.03.2005 um 20:29 schrieb Joshua Hutchinson:
The site makes it very clear on the front page that they are not affliated with PG, so I've got no problem with it. I'd prefer a different domain name, but obviously we don't own the domain name, so it was free for anyone to take, I suppose. At least this one is actually something to do with eBooks and not a porn site or something... :)
Josh
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcello Perathoner" <marcello@perathoner.de> To: "Project Gutenberg volunteer discussion" <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Subject: [gutvol-d] Another PG 'clone' Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:06:05 +0100
How do we like this one?
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I think we should be greatly suspicious of anyone who refers to George W. Bush as the leader of the free world, but that's an entirely different matter. All in all it looks like a bit of a crap website, from a creator who is too lazy to make his own eBooks or to do his own marketing. Keith J.Schultz wrote:
Hi Everybody,
They are definately using PG for what they can get. Their disclaimer is a good thing, but they are VIOLATING Nettique: To download there so-called free books they link up to the PG site in a Frame, where their navbar is at the bottom!! This should not be done !! As they are not affilliated not I doubt have permission to the PG site in such a manner. Furthermore they are using the PG resources to make money, that is: linking directly to the PG site and using the PG Disk space for their service. They should either fork over some money or link to a new window!! That is the way to do it !!!
Just my 0 Euro cents worth: 2 Euro cents added value tax deducted
Keith.
Am 14.03.2005 um 20:29 schrieb Joshua Hutchinson:
The site makes it very clear on the front page that they are not affliated with PG, so I've got no problem with it. I'd prefer a different domain name, but obviously we don't own the domain name, so it was free for anyone to take, I suppose. At least this one is actually something to do with eBooks and not a porn site or something... :)
Josh
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcello Perathoner" <marcello@perathoner.de> To: "Project Gutenberg volunteer discussion" <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Subject: [gutvol-d] Another PG 'clone' Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:06:05 +0100
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