re: [gutvol-d] DPF images archives [Was: Re: Kevin Kelly ...]
donovan said:
It's an interesting idea, but initially I'd like to focus on getting the existing projects in order. :)
the volunteer who does the work sets the agenda. :+) but putting up existing scan-sets, so people could read them while they are standing in line waiting to be digitized, seems to me to be the best possible way to put them to use _now_... and if anyone needs another good idea, i think it would be a good idea to round up the scan-sets from google that represent books that are already in the p.g. library... a list of such books has been compiled on the d.p. forums. the focus of that list is now "...so don't bother with these...", but i think they could instead represent a rare opportunity... -bowerbird
but putting up existing scan-sets, so people could read them while they are standing in line waiting to be digitized, seems to me to be the best possible way to put them to use _now_...
In this case, all DP's Content Providers must be explicitly warned that ALL scans CAN be released to the public. Some foreign legislation may allow people to scan a book and release it to DP (since it's a "closed" website), but may forbid them to allow those scans to be released to the general public. Some volunteers may be scanning books at this moment expecting that only the final E-text will be released. (According to my national law (EU), for instance, I can theoretically scan a 1960's edition (respecting the life+70 rule) and upload it to PGDP/DPE. But having the images freely available online can be very compromising because editors may still have typographic copyright. I don't know how it works all around the world... That's why some special warning would be advisable. 2006/5/25, Bowerbird@aol.com <Bowerbird@aol.com>:
donovan said:
It's an interesting idea, but initially I'd like to focus on getting the existing projects in order. :)
the volunteer who does the work sets the agenda. :+)
but putting up existing scan-sets, so people could read them while they are standing in line waiting to be digitized, seems to me to be the best possible way to put them to use _now_...
and if anyone needs another good idea, i think it would be a good idea to round up the scan-sets from google that represent books that are already in the p.g. library...
a list of such books has been compiled on the d.p. forums. the focus of that list is now "...so don't bother with these...", but i think they could instead represent a rare opportunity...
-bowerbird donovan said:
It's an interesting idea, but initially I'd like to focus on getting the existing projects in order. :)
the volunteer who does the work sets the agenda. :+)
but putting up existing scan-sets, so people could read them while they are standing in line waiting to be digitized, seems to me to be the best possible way to put them to use _now_...
and if anyone needs another good idea, i think it would be a good idea to round up the scan-sets from google that represent books that are already in the p.g. library...
a list of such books has been compiled on the d.p. forums. the focus of that list is now "...so don't bother with these...", but i think they could instead represent a rare opportunity...
-bowerbird
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On 5/25/06, Ricardo F Diogo <ricardofdiogo@gmail.com> wrote:
In this case, all DP's Content Providers must be explicitly warned that ALL scans CAN be released to the public.
That's always been the assumption, as far as I know.
Some foreign legislation may allow people to scan a book and release it to DP (since it's a "closed" website), but may forbid them to allow those scans to be released to the general public.
DP lets anyone sign up and download the complete scans for a book. I wouldn't be too trusting that that would cover you under any legal system. Note that DP-EU is different; they don't let just anyone look at more pages then they need to proof, which they expect will cover them for offering US-cleared works from a life+50 server.
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 12:22:49AM -0500, David Starner wrote:
On 5/25/06, Ricardo F Diogo <ricardofdiogo@gmail.com> wrote:
In this case, all DP's Content Providers must be explicitly warned that ALL scans CAN be released to the public.
That's always been the assumption, as far as I know.
Some foreign legislation may allow people to scan a book and release it to DP (since it's a "closed" website), but may forbid them to allow those scans to be released to the general public.
DP lets anyone sign up and download the complete scans for a book. I wouldn't be too trusting that that would cover you under any legal system. Note that DP-EU is different; they don't let just anyone look at more pages then they need to proof, which they expect will cover them for offering US-cleared works from a life+50 server.
If an eBooks is public domain in the US, then the scans are too. Even people outside of the US cannot (or at least, not successfully) claim PG can't redistribute them...or anyone else for that matter. I've saved some of our escapades on such issues: http://cand.pglaf.org/ If DP agrees to not redistribute, that's another matter... this is sometimes done for particular sources of content, even if it's public domain. I think it's in everyone's interest to not violate such agreements. We have a little about this in the "Harvesting" section at www.gutenberg.org/howto -- Greg
On 5/26/06, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
If an eBooks is public domain in the US, then the scans are too. Even people outside of the US cannot (or at least, not successfully) claim PG can't redistribute them...or anyone else for that matter. I've saved some of our escapades on such issues: http://cand.pglaf.org/
I think he was more worried about the content provider's liability. I suspect a copyright holder could get very annoyed about one or two of the books I have provided to DP-EU, but I've personally chosen to have no public connection to those books. However
We are unaware of any case where copyright laws of another country impacts public domain status in the US.
is not 100% true. To be pedantic, there are rule 6 clearances possible based on a non-US work not being in copyright in its home country when the URAA was passed.
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 01:03:50AM -0500, David Starner wrote:
On 5/26/06, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
If an eBooks is public domain in the US, then the scans are too. Even people outside of the US cannot (or at least, not successfully) claim PG can't redistribute them...or anyone else for that matter. I've saved some of our escapades on such issues: http://cand.pglaf.org/
I think he was more worried about the content provider's liability. I suspect a copyright holder could get very annoyed about one or two of the books I have provided to DP-EU, but I've personally chosen to have no public connection to those books.
Understood, and that's a good approach. Laws in other countries (France & Germany leap right to mind) can be pretty different than the US about their approach to such things.
However
We are unaware of any case where copyright laws of another country impacts public domain status in the US.
is not 100% true. To be pedantic, there are rule 6 clearances possible based on a non-US work not being in copyright in its home country when the URAA was passed.
Sure, I understand about that, and didn't type a very precise message. A more precise attempt: If a book is public domain in the US (including under GATT/URAA etc.), then we (PG and US-based persons) get to treat it as public domain. This is regardless of whether it might still be copyrighted elsewhere. This is upsetting to many copyright holders (including those with copyrights in the US, but for items that are public domain elsewhere). http://cand.pglaf.org for a few examples. -- Greg
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