don said:

That's why I want to challenge any proposers to provide at least a prototype of what is being proposed, in the form of examples collected in one place so they can be remembered and compared. ... It would also help to avoid reactions that categorize proposals as categorically bad and make general statements about the proposer's character or intelligence. ... Or fail to provide a better alternative, with real examples we can compare with each other. ... Yes, bowerbird, I know you're providing the last item. Not so much on the others.

by "the others", do you mean the other people here? or my performance on the "other" items? (whatever those other items might be.) and what, specifically, does "the last item" mean? you could probably write a little more clearly, if you worked on it, for better communication. -bowerbird