The Panchatantra is (to quote Wikipedia) "an ancient Indian work of political philosophy, in the form of a collection of interrelated animal fables”. There’s nothing on Gutenberg but I did find this good quality transcription on Wikisource: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra_(Purnabhadra%27s_Recension...) (see also archive.org scans: https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W_Ryder ). While this translation was published in the US in 1925 the wikisource link claims no copyright was renewed on the text. Sure enough, a quick search on the Stanford copyright renewal database doesn’t throw anything up. Is this something Gutenberg would consider adding? If I wanted to verify lapse of copyright is there a more formal process I could undertake? Thanks! -Robin
First edition seems to be American; author American, so WTO renewal does not apply. Now for the renewal check... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_W._Ryder https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1985&dat=19251017&id=1wkvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8KMFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3499,2911838 Quoting Robin Whittleton <robin@reala.net>:
The Panchatantra is (to quote Wikipedia) "an ancient Indian work of political philosophy, in the form of a collection of interrelated animal fables”. There’s nothing on Gutenberg but I did find this good quality transcription on Wikisource: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra_(Purnabhadra%27s_Recension...) (see also archive.org scans: https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W_Ryder ). While this translation was published in the US in 1925 the wikisource link claims no copyright was renewed on the text. Sure enough, a quick search on the Stanford copyright renewal database doesn’t throw anything up.
Is this something Gutenberg would consider adding? If I wanted to verify lapse of copyright is there a more formal process I could undertake?
Thanks! -Robin
If I can find a scanned source for the same, I will be happy to look into it. Renewals can be hard, though. Jeroen. Quoting Robin Whittleton <robin@reala.net>:
The Panchatantra is (to quote Wikipedia) "an ancient Indian work of political philosophy, in the form of a collection of interrelated animal fables”. There’s nothing on Gutenberg but I did find this good quality transcription on Wikisource: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra_(Purnabhadra%27s_Recension...) (see also archive.org scans: https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W_Ryder ). While this translation was published in the US in 1925 the wikisource link claims no copyright was renewed on the text. Sure enough, a quick search on the Stanford copyright renewal database doesn’t throw anything up.
Is this something Gutenberg would consider adding? If I wanted to verify lapse of copyright is there a more formal process I could undertake?
Thanks! -Robin
Thanks for the help, but it looks like it’s not going to happen. I’ve been doing a bit more digging and found this: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/renewals.html <http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/renewals.html> . That suggested that if there’s an edition published more than 28 years after the original (which would in this case be 1953) with a renewal notice it’s game over. Looking on archive.org <http://archive.org/> I found the 9th edition with a copyright of 1956 from the family: https://archive.org/stream/in.gov.ignca.2332/2332#page/n6/mode/1up <https://archive.org/stream/in.gov.ignca.2332/2332#page/n6/mode/1up> . I guess that means they renewed it, or even if it doesn’t it makes it unfeasible for GB without a lot more digging. Thanks again though!
On 22 May 2018, at 16:14, jeroen@bohol.ph wrote:
If I can find a scanned source for the same, I will be happy to look into it. Renewals can be hard, though.
Jeroen.
Quoting Robin Whittleton <robin@reala.net>:
The Panchatantra is (to quote Wikipedia) "an ancient Indian work of political philosophy, in the form of a collection of interrelated animal fables”. There’s nothing on Gutenberg but I did find this good quality transcription on Wikisource: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra_(Purnabhadra%27s_Recension...) (see also archive.org scans: https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W_Ryder ). While this translation was published in the US in 1925 the wikisource link claims no copyright was renewed on the text. Sure enough, a quick search on the Stanford copyright renewal database doesn’t throw anything up.
Is this something Gutenberg would consider adding? If I wanted to verify lapse of copyright is there a more formal process I could undertake?
Thanks! -Robin
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Thanks, but I was planning to produce this for Standard Ebooks ( https://standardebooks.org/ <https://standardebooks.org/> ) which is a US project and as such requires US-PD confirmation. I’ll happily read the Wikisource transcript for myself :)
On 22 May 2018, at 18:31, Gardner Buchanan <gbuchana@teksavvy.com> wrote:
Arthur William Ryder (March 8, 1877 – March 21, 1938) has been dead for 80 years. His works, such as translations, would be PD in Life+70 and Life+50 locales. Try PG-Australia, PG-Canada, PG-Europe.
On 22-May-2018 12:06, Robin Whittleton wrote:
Thanks for the help, but it looks like it’s not going to happen. I’ve been doing a bit more digging and found this: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/renewals.html <http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/renewals.html> . That suggested that if there’s an edition published more than 28 years after the original (which would in this case be 1953) with a renewal notice it’s game over. Looking on archive.org <http://archive.org/> I found the 9th edition with a copyright of 1956 from the family: https://archive.org/stream/in.gov.ignca.2332/2332#page/n6/mode/1up <https://archive.org/stream/in.gov.ignca.2332/2332#page/n6/mode/1up> . I guess that means they renewed it, or even if it doesn’t it makes it unfeasible for GB without a lot more digging.
Thanks again though!
On 22 May 2018, at 16:14, jeroen@bohol.ph <mailto:jeroen@bohol.ph> wrote:
If I can find a scanned source for the same, I will be happy to look into it. Renewals can be hard, though.
Jeroen.
Quoting Robin Whittleton <robin@reala.net <mailto:robin@reala.net>>:
The Panchatantra is (to quote Wikipedia) "an ancient Indian work of political philosophy, in the form of a collection of interrelated animal fables”. There’s nothing on Gutenberg but I did find this good quality transcription on Wikisource: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra_(Purnabhadra%27s_Recension...) <https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra_%28Purnabhadra%27s_Recension_of_1199_CE%29> (see also archive.org <http://archive.org/> scans: https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W_Ryder <https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W_Ryder> ). While this translation was published in the US in 1925 the wikisource link claims no copyright was renewed on the text. Sure enough, a quick search on the Stanford copyright renewal database doesn’t throw anything up.
Is this something Gutenberg would consider adding? If I wanted to verify lapse of copyright is there a more formal process I could undertake?
Thanks! -Robin
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A later printing doesn't count: For US copyright, the renewal had to be registered with the LoC in the 28th year of copyright. So what needs to be demonstrated is the non-appearance of a valid renewal notice within their archives. However, in this case, probably easier to go the Canadian route. Jeroen. On 2018-05-22 18:06, Robin Whittleton wrote:
Thanks for the help, but it looks like it’s not going to happen. I’ve been doing a bit more digging and found this: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/renewals.html . That suggested that if there’s an edition published more than 28 years after the original (which would in this case be 1953) with a renewal notice it’s game over. Looking on archive.org <http://archive.org> I found the 9th edition with a copyright of 1956 from the family: https://archive.org/stream/in.gov.ignca.2332/2332#page/n6/mode/1up . I guess that means they renewed it, or even if it doesn’t it makes it unfeasible for GB without a lot more digging.
Thanks again though!
On 22 May 2018, at 16:14, jeroen@bohol.ph <mailto:jeroen@bohol.ph> wrote:
If I can find a scanned source for the same, I will be happy to look into it. Renewals can be hard, though.
Jeroen.
Quoting Robin Whittleton <robin@reala.net <mailto:robin@reala.net>>:
The Panchatantra is (to quote Wikipedia) "an ancient Indian work of political philosophy, in the form of a collection of interrelated animal fables”. There’s nothing on Gutenberg but I did find this good quality transcription on Wikisource: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra_(Purnabhadra%27s_Recension...) (see also archive.org <http://archive.org> scans: https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W_Ryder ). While this translation was published in the US in 1925 the wikisource link claims no copyright was renewed on the text. Sure enough, a quick search on the Stanford copyright renewal database doesn’t throw anything up.
Is this something Gutenberg would consider adding? If I wanted to verify lapse of copyright is there a more formal process I could undertake?
Thanks! -Robin
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Project Gutenberg's "copyright how-to", and the "rule 6" how-to that describes renewals research, are available via https://copy.pglaf.org - Greg On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:41:12PM +0200, Jeroen Hellingman wrote:
A later printing doesn't count: For US copyright, the renewal had to be registered with the LoC in the 28th year of copyright. So what needs to be demonstrated is the non-appearance of a valid renewal notice within their archives.
However, in this case, probably easier to go the Canadian route.
Jeroen.
On 2018-05-22 18:06, Robin Whittleton wrote:
Thanks for the help, but it looks like it???s not going to happen. I???ve been doing a bit more digging and found this: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/renewals.html . That suggested that if there???s an edition published more than 28 years after the original (which would in this case be 1953) with a renewal notice it???s game over. Looking on archive.org <http://archive.org> I found the 9th edition with a copyright of 1956 from the family: https://archive.org/stream/in.gov.ignca.2332/2332#page/n6/mode/1up . I guess that means they renewed it, or even if it doesn???t it makes it unfeasible for GB without a lot more digging.
Thanks again though!
On 22 May 2018, at 16:14, jeroen@bohol.ph <mailto:jeroen@bohol.ph> wrote:
If I can find a scanned source for the same, I will be happy to look into it. Renewals can be hard, though.
Jeroen.
Quoting Robin Whittleton <robin@reala.net <mailto:robin@reala.net>>:
The Panchatantra is (to quote Wikipedia) "an ancient Indian work of political philosophy, in the form of a collection of interrelated animal fables???. There???s nothing on Gutenberg but I did find this good quality transcription on Wikisource: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra_(Purnabhadra%27s_Recension...) (see also archive.org <http://archive.org> scans: https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W_Ryder ). While this translation was published in the US in 1925 the wikisource link claims no copyright was renewed on the text. Sure enough, a quick search on the Stanford copyright renewal database doesn???t throw anything up.
Is this something Gutenberg would consider adding? If I wanted to verify lapse of copyright is there a more formal process I could undertake?
Thanks! -Robin
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