Re: [gutvol-d] !@!Googleberg eBooks

"Michael Hart" writes:
Obviously, any scholar will be able to figure out which editions we have used without much effort, and those who are not scholars won't care which editions we used because they don't care if it is:
There are huge differences between some editions, including major plot changes between the two editions of Frankenstein, and major bowlerdization in editions of other books. Yes, non-scholars care. I personally don't demand typo for typo, but I don't want a portmanteau of texts that the author never saw and no editor ever wrote.
"To be or not to be." "To be, or not to be." "To be; or not to be." or "To be: or not to be."
That's a strawman. In reality, there are large differences in Shakespearean text depending on which original text you take it from, and many people could be interested in which edition it was from.
To them, that is not the question, and a discussion of that question would shuffle them off this mortal coil into the land of dreams.
Behold the power of skimming and outright skipping of boring text.
As for this example, the person who did it first may not have had any idea of the difference in the second
That's all the more reason to always keep edition information.
We did this with Darwin, Shakespeare, etc.,
Really? Because I don't see it for Shakespeare, except for the first folio editions. (Now I see that the Collins editions have the name in the header but why not put the year? The introduction? The editor name? All things of interest to the non-scholar reader.) (I think I know the answer here, but can we get rid of the World Library Editions? We have replacement editions, and if we need more, there's numerous editions of Shakespeare we could use. Say the word, and I'll start scanning new editions of Shakespeare for DP to replace these.)
but I don't see the need to do it in cases in which the differences are all likely to be in typographical errors, margination, pagination, and other publishing items, rather than in the source material.
The major question, how can we tell the difference? I don't insist on pedantism, but I'd rather add the information to many books, so we get the "Leaves of Grass" and the "20000 Lieues sous les mers" right, instead of only adding to the books we know for sure had distinct editions and missing those books. In the same direction, non-scholarly readers want to know when the book they were reading was published and sometimes where. Is this Civil War novel written after WWI, with a view of the horrors of war? Was it written shortly after the Civil War and was published in New York, or Atlanta? Was it written during the Civil War, and then New York or Atlanta would really make a difference. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

--- "D. Starner" <shalesller@writeme.com> wrote:
(I think I know the answer here, but can we get rid of the World Library Editions? We have replacement editions, and if we need more, there's numerous editions of Shakespeare we could use. Say the word, and I'll start scanning new editions of Shakespeare for DP to replace these.)
Please do! I'll be quite happy to shepherd these through the DP process if you don't have the time. We've already put some Shakespeare through DP -- the 'Bad Quarto' of Hamlet[1] was our 2000th book, for example. [1] http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/9077 -- Jon Ingram __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Jonathan Ingram wrote:
--- "D. Starner" <shalesller@writeme.com> wrote:
(I think I know the answer here, but can we get rid of the World Library Editions? We have replacement editions, and if we need more, there's numerous editions of Shakespeare we could use. Say the word, and I'll start scanning new editions of Shakespeare for DP to replace these.)
You won't be able to legally replace the World Library Shakespeare, because many of the source editions are still copyrighted, as Prof. George Lyman Kittredge didn't finish his complete Shakespeare until the 1930's. However, the "life +50" PGs could redo him, as he died in 1941, but the "life +70" and US copyrights are still in force. Kittredge was the best edition of its day, perhaps until the Riverside edition, which is the new standard, and should be kept as the best public domain resource, accoring the advice of most Shakespeare professors I have consulted. It's one thing to add a new version, quite something else to "get rid of" an old one. Not to mention that the World Library was VERY nice to Project Gutenberg in donating this material 10 years ago, when we only were coming up on 100 eBooks. Michael

Michael Hart <hart@pglaf.org> writes:
You won't be able to legally replace the World Library Shakespeare, because many of the source editions are still copyrighted, as Prof. George Lyman Kittredge didn't finish his complete Shakespeare until the 1930's.
However, the "life +50" PGs could redo him, as he died in 1941, but the "life +70" and US copyrights are still in force.
Editions are not "protected" that long in Germany--ten or some 20/25 years, the latter for scientific editions. Of course, editor's comments and footnotes, introductions and the like are protected life+70. -- http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o | _-\_<, | (*)/'(*) Key fingerprint = F138 B28F B7ED E0AC 1AB4 AA7F C90A 35C3 E9D0 5D1C

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
Michael Hart <hart@pglaf.org> writes:
You won't be able to legally replace the World Library Shakespeare, because many of the source editions are still copyrighted, as Prof. George Lyman Kittredge didn't finish his complete Shakespeare until the 1930's.
However, the "life +50" PGs could redo him, as he died in 1941, but the "life +70" and US copyrights are still in force.
Editions are not "protected" that long in Germany--ten or some 20/25 years, the latter for scientific editions. Of course, editor's comments and footnotes, introductions and the like are protected life+70.
Is this true even in cases such as Shakespeare? Where a great deal of effort goes into choosing which lines from which publications? mh
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