Re: FW: [gutvol-d] [Fwd: Demande de liens pour pages d'auteurs]
(Forwarding to the list). On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 08:13:34PM -0500, John Hagerson wrote:
Many sites demand notification for any link (even to the home page). Because PG specifically does NOT want to be asked, maybe it would be helpful to put a short notice along the lines of "you are welcome to link to our home page; please don't tax our small, volunteer staff by telling us that you plan to do so; while we can't stop you, we would consider it impolite if you linked to any other page on our site other than the home page."
Just a thought. I'm a software engineer, not a lawyer.
-----Original Message----- From: gutvol-d-bounces@lists.pglaf.org [mailto:gutvol-d-bounces@lists.pglaf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Newby Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:32 PM To: gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] [Fwd: Demande de liens pour pages d'auteurs]
On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 07:47:23PM +0200, Carlo Traverso wrote:
> "Marcello" == Marcello Perathoner <marcello@perathoner.de> writes:
Marcello> Anybody fluent enough in French to answer this?
Marcello> I think he wants to set links to our pages. No Marcello> problem. He should use the canonical link form: Marcello> www.gutenberg.net/etext/12345
Yes, he asks the permission to have direct links to PG books. The PG policy should be stated in some obvious place, accessible from the front page. We have a robots link and not a link for "terms and conditions". We should state there how to link to PG books; for example, is linking to www.gutenberg.net/etext/12345/12345-h/12345.html permitted/forbidden/discouraged? So, should we answer "yes", or "yes, but", or "no, but", and on which basis? The exact question he poses is
"I am honored to ask you to be willing to authorize me to have direct links to some ebooks in your site".
The rest is a presentation of his site.
Here's a little blurb I send out, but we don't have it on the Web pages anywhere:
Thanks for taking the time to request permission for a link to Project Gutenberg, as below. However, no such permission is required, and we do believe it is a poor precedent for Project Gutenberg to grant it.
As you probably know, there have been a few legal attempts to block linking, especially "deep" linking. At least one legal case, in the UK, was won and one organization was subsequently blocked from deep linking to another.
However, in the US there is neither a body of case law nor any state or federal regulations that we are aware of that would require permission to set up a hyperlink.
Project Gutenberg does not encourage deep linking to our Web site and, in some cases, has actively discouraged it. But a link to the main page, http://www.gutenberg.net, would be most welcome, and will help to distribute our free electronic texts.
Project Gutenberg has no interest or desire to grant permission to any site linking to us, as it would be a serious burden to our volunteer staff and set a dangerous precedent from a legal viewpoint.
Thus, we would like to encourage you to link to Project Gutenberg. In addition, would be thrilled for you to download all 15000+ eBooks for your internal use (within the licensing restrictions you will find at the top of each eBook, see http://gutenberg.net/license).
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Marcello> -------- Original Message -------- Date: Fri, 10 Sep Marcello> 2004 09:46:59 +0200 To: webmaster@gutenberg.net From: Marcello> zemirline_mohamed <zemirline_mohamed@yahoo.fr> Subject: Marcello> Demande de liens pour pages d'auteurs
Marcello> Monsieur,
Marcello> J'ai l'Honneur de vous demander de bien vouloir Marcello> m'autoriser d'avoir des liens directs à quelques livres Marcello> électroniques de votre site. En effet, je prépare un Marcello> petit site pour les livres gratuits et votre aide me Marcello> serait d'une très grande utilité. Pour l'instant j'ai Marcello> un petit site pour les photos : "Tibhirine ou La Marcello> Nature": http://membres.lycos.fr/tibhirine Veuillez Marcello> croire Monsieur, en mon entière reconnaissance.
Marcello> zemirline_mohamed@yahoo.fr M.Zemirline
Marcello> -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.net
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Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> writes:
(Forwarding to the list).
You replied :)
On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 08:13:34PM -0500, John Hagerson wrote:
Many sites demand notification for any link (even to the home page).
If they don't want traffic (to be be linked) they must not publish web pages. Deep linking is another issue. It is argueable whether you are allowed to link to special subframe or display foreign contents as part of your frameset. -- | ,__o | _-\_<, http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | (*)/'(*)
I see from PG pages (FAQ #0): The mission of Project Gutenberg is simple: "To encourage the creation and distribution of eBooks." This mission is, as much as possible, to encourage *ALL* those who are interested in making eBooks and helping to give them away. A link to a book is an help to give it away. Discouraging direct linking to the download pages of an individual book is IMHO contrary to PG mission, since it makes harder to find and download the book. Why should we force people that want a precise book to query our database (use our respurces) and possibly miss the book, when from the book downloading page they have links to the rest of the site? Carlo
Yes. As others have said, linking to the bibrec file is the best solution for many situations out there. A few months ago, I spent many hours searching and cross-referencing to add links to PG titles in the English language Wikipedia. This seems to me like a perfect fit, as the ideal addition to an encyclopedia-type article is a link to where you can find more in-depth information on the topic. With the broadening of topics in PG (greatly thanks to DP) appropriate, relevent links can be added to Wikipedia not just for the obvious articles about famous books, but also biographies and auto-biographies, and books about famous events (such as the sinking of the Titanic.) I would argue that including links these not only raises the public profile of PG, but also shows people that PG does have books about the very topics they are interested in, not just a few old, musty classics. On Sat, 11 Sep 2004, Carlo Traverso wrote:
I see from PG pages (FAQ #0):
The mission of Project Gutenberg is simple:
"To encourage the creation and distribution of eBooks."
This mission is, as much as possible, to encourage *ALL* those who are interested in making eBooks and helping to give them away.
A link to a book is an help to give it away.
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