the nature of the visit -- dropping the facades
it's time to call it like it is... so i'll give you something to think about over the weekend. i'm here on this listserve because i've got information that could be very useful to you. if you choose to hear it. the nature of the visit, then, is that i'm doing you a favor by being here... i'll repeat, so it sinks in: i'm doing you a favor. you are the one who will benefit. not me. i don't need to tell you this information in able to be able to use it wisely myself... i am here as a _gift_ to you, plain and simple. if you don't want the gift, that's just fine by me. i can go off and use the information wisely myself. so it's time for you to make a conscious choice, either to listen to the information, or not to listen. this little game of "we hate you, please go away" has been fun to play, but now we're done with it. if you don't acknowledge what i am giving as a gift, i simply won't give it to you. we're dropping facades... if you really want me to go without delivering the message, i'll strongly consider it. my obligation is met if i _attempt_ to make delivery; whether you _take_ delivery is irrelevant. so you should think about it over the weekend, and then talk amongst yourselves next week, and make a decision. i might stay here and post the information anyway, even if you decide that you don't want to hear it -- i'm not making my decision totally contingent on you. but if you don't realize the favor i'm doing for you, if you don't appreciate the gift that i am offering you, then i must come to the conclusion you don't deserve it -- as if there was every any reason you _did_ deserve it -- and will strongly consider abandoning you in your tar-pit... it would be a lot smarter of you to decide to hear the message, or at least listen to it, even if you're not capable of "hearing" it. then again, most of you don't impress me as being very smart. so it will be interesting to see if you can pass this i.q. test. do you want the gift i am delivering? or not. come to a collective decision. i want to hear it... don't bother with any smart-ass replies to this post... all i want to get from you is a collective "yes" or "no"... -bowerbird
If you really want me to go without delivering the message, i'll strongly consider it. my obligation is met if i _attempt_ to make delivery; whether you _take_ delivery is irrelevant.
This isn't FedEx here.now be gone. I'm tired of getting all of these emails just because you like to stir things up.
don't bother with any smart-ass replies to this post... all i want to get from you is a collective "yes" or "no"...
Too late. Why don't you go start your own PG/DP bowerturd? Joseph
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This isnt FedEx here now be gone. Im tired of getting all of these emails just because you like to stir things up.
Too late
Why dont you go start your own PG/DP bowerturd?
Joseph
While I totally understand and agree with the above sentiments, I would encourage everyone to refrain from enabling the Bird by responding. I know it can be tempting to do so, but if you really want Bowerbird to leave, please vote with your delete button, rather than with your reply button. I hardly have room to speak on this subject, as I have until very recently been part of the problem. Still, this is just my suggestion. Each member of this list is of course free to do as they choose. Sincerely Aaron Cannon - -- E-mail: cannona@fireantproductions.com Skype: cannona MSN Messenger: cannona@hotmail.com (Do not send E-mail to the hotmail address.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.959 Comment: Key available from all major key servers. iD8DBQFDPwbCI7J99hVZuJcRAtLOAJ4ux6g2Ul2y8pCa7653rvKNb6pkaQCeJXzE Dv0WKZlgcsAllt90s5cyohM= =08q/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Aaron Cannon wrote:
While I totally understand and agree with the above sentiments, I would encourage everyone to refrain from enabling the Bird by responding. I know it can be tempting to do so, but if you really want Bowerbird to leave, please vote with your delete button, rather than with your reply button.
The problem with BB is that he won't go away if you fight him and he won't go away if you ignore him. Last time he "went" he was put on moderation. That helped. So I guess that's what we'll have to do now. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org
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The problem with BB is that he won't go away if you fight him and he won't go away if you ignore him.
I'm not convinced that he was ever truly ignored. He always got a response eventually. Even if it doesn't make him go away, it might make it easier to justify forcing him away if he is just shouting into the ether and receiving no acknowledgment.
Last time he "went" he was put on moderation. That helped. So I guess that's what we'll have to do now.
I agree, but I don't think it's going to happen based on what Greg has said. Still, one can hope. Sincerely Aaron Cannon - -- E-mail: cannona@fireantproductions.com Skype: cannona MSN Messenger: cannona@hotmail.com (Do not send E-mail to the hotmail address.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.959 Comment: Key available from all major key servers. iD8DBQFDPxg9I7J99hVZuJcRAsfXAJ9jQyvjsj0hIWPrA+NT4jORchnp7ACgzZjf PrCCUgWTBl1//grX8fwG0Io= =0Lr1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
How about if we ban him on gutvol-d only, so this list can go back to work ? He still can post on gutvol-p, so there would be no censorship, only a forced channel switch. gutvol-p has no traffic currently, so using it for BBs rodomontades wouldn't be too much of a waste, while those who think he has a point (or think he's funny) can go listen to him there. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org
Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:
it's time to call it like it is...
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you are the one who will benefit. not me. i don't need to tell you this information in able to be able to use it wisely myself...
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i might stay here and post the information anyway, even if you decide that you don't want to hear it -- i'm not making my decision totally contingent on you.
As you correctly point out, your continuing participation in discussions here is your decision, not ours. Speaking for myself alone, I have not found anything in any of your posts which is particularly novel or insightful. For that reason, I am skeptical that anything you say in the future might be so. So please, don't feel you must continue to post for _my_ benefit. Personally, were I in your place I would be much more self-centered. I would be asking myself, "am _I_ learning enough to make my participation worthwhile?" If you're not benefiting personally from the list, I would think you shouldn't bother to stick around.
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Aaron Cannon -
Bowerbird＠aol.com -
Joseph R. Gruber -
Lee Passey -
Marcello Perathoner