and -- as you know -- because jon noring subjects every message that michael hart posts to jon's listserve to moderator control, i'm no longer responding to jon's posts either. our pioneers deserve more respect than that... so if anyone wants me to reply to jon's points, you will have to restate those too. however, don't waste your breath trying to get me to rewrite my .html if it "passes" the "validator". i don't care how many "deprecated" tags i use. again, have a nice weekend! :+) -bowerbird