Re: [PGCanada] Re: [Fwd: Re: !@!Re: PG Canada]
----- Original Message ----- From: Russell McOrmond <russell@flora.ca> Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2004 11:31 am Subject: Re: [PGCanada] Re: [Fwd: Re: !@!Re: PG Canada]
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Michael Hart wrote:
I'm wondering if we should host PG Canada on a US site, I'm sure that will upset the lawyers, especailly those involved with Gone With The Wind.
I assume you mean that we shouldn't be doing so, and that this list is hosted in the US?
Hosting a PG-Canada in a place that attorns to the jurisdiction of a country with a copyright law different from that of Canada, is like painting a big "Sue Me!" on your ass. If PG was hosted in Canada, Access Copyright would have sued it years ago.
Wallace J.McLean wrote:
Hosting a PG-Canada in a place that attorns to the jurisdiction of a country with a copyright law different from that of Canada, is like painting a big "Sue Me!" on your ass.
If PG was hosted in Canada, Access Copyright would have sued it years ago.
Quite true. To that end we also must make sure that PG Canada is completely separate from PG US, or start a separate organization. This organization must be incorporated, and it should also be a registered charity. Don't know how to incorporate, but I found the application for charity status here: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg/tf/t2050/README.html Does anyone know the current legal status of PG Canada? Any lawyers here who want to help set this up properly? Additionally, as was mentioned previously offlist, we need to get some people in the literary field involved, or at least to lend their names. The bigger the names the better. Does anybody know how to contact any big names? I sent an email off to James Linden to try and get some technical information about the current project status. Hopefully I'll here back soon. I'll keep you posted.
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Darryl Moore wrote:
Wallace J.McLean wrote:
Hosting a PG-Canada in a place that attorns to the jurisdiction of a country with a copyright law different from that of Canada, is like painting a big "Sue Me!" on your ass.
If PG was hosted in Canada, Access Copyright would have sued it years ago.
Quite true. To that end we also must make sure that PG Canada is completely separate from PG US, or start a separate organization.
or both! No reason it should not be a separate organiztion, still called PG of Canada, presuming you like the basic tenets of Project Gutenberg.
This organization must be incorporated, and it should also be a registered charity.
I wouldn't WAIT for this to happen, I would get started right away, strike while the iron is hot! I ran PGUS from 1917 to 2000 before we ever got incorporated and registered.
Don't know how to incorporate, but I found the application for charity status here:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg/tf/t2050/README.html
Does anyone know the current legal status of PG Canada? Any lawyers here who want to help set this up properly?
I can put requests for legal help for you in our Newsletters, etc.
Additionally, as was mentioned previously offlist, we need to get some people in the literary field involved, or at least to lend their names. The bigger the names the better. Does anybody know how to contact any big names?
I can probably get you some quotes from Marvin Minsky, Vint Cerf, etc., if that would help, not sure how much more they would do. . . .
I sent an email off to James Linden to try and get some technical information about the current project status. Hopefully I'll here back soon. I'll keep you posted.
Many thanks! Michael
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Michael Hart wrote:
I wouldn't WAIT for this to happen, I would get started right away, strike while the iron is hot! I ran PGUS from 1917 to 2000 before we ever got incorporated and registered.
1917? Wow! I knew you had dedicated yourself to PG for a long time, Michael, but didn't realize it was _that_ long! :) Andrew
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Andrew Sly wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Michael Hart wrote:
I wouldn't WAIT for this to happen, I would get started right away, strike while the iron is hot! I ran PGUS from 1917 to 2000 before we ever got incorporated and registered.
1917? Wow!
I knew you had dedicated yourself to PG for a long time, Michael, but didn't realize it was _that_ long! :)
Andrew
DAMN! I retyped that!!! Some SERIOUS bugs still in the system!!! ;-) Michael Started PG in 1971 Will be GREAT to have PG of Canada in 2004!!!
Michael Hart wrote:
I wouldn't WAIT for this to happen, I would get started right away, strike while the iron is hot! I ran PGUS from 1917 to 2000 before we ever got incorporated and registered.
I wasn't planning on waiting. I've asked a few people I know if they can help, or know someone who can. I believe now with the very different national copyright laws and the very big US corporations who are so quick to litigate that it would not be smart to proceed without the proper corporate framework and appropriate legal advise. However certain things can be done in tandem. There is no reason we can't get the web site up and running while we get the legalities sorted out. Once we get a better grip of it all and have some idea of timelines we should be able to set a publication date. Hopefully before Christmas.
Don't know how to incorporate, but I found the application for charity status here:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg/tf/t2050/README.html
Does anyone know the current legal status of PG Canada? Any lawyers here who want to help set this up properly?
I can put requests for legal help for you in our Newsletters, etc.
Anything like that would be great. Just keep in mind that it is Canadian legal advice we are after. I'm not sure how much help a US lawyer would be.
Additionally, as was mentioned previously offlist, we need to get some people in the literary field involved, or at least to lend their names. The bigger the names the better. Does anybody know how to contact any big names?
I can probably get you some quotes from Marvin Minsky, Vint Cerf, etc., if that would help, not sure how much more they would do. . . .
That would help. But the most helpful would be an endorsement by prominent Canadian authors such as Pierre Button, Margaret Atwood, John Ralston Saul and others.
On 18:19:07 Darryl Moore wrote:
That would help. But the most helpful would be an endorsement by prominent Canadian authors such as Pierre Button, Margaret Atwood, John Ralston Saul and others.
It would probably be worthwhile to write to Saul and/or Clarkson. ============================================================ Gardner Buchanan <gbuchana@rogers.com> Ottawa, ON FreeBSD: Where you want to go. Today.
That is a good idea. However before we can approach anybody, and even for filing our articles of incorporation, we need to get a few things written down on paper. Who we are. What we do. How our efforts should generally benefit society. etc... Would anybody like to take a stab at putting together a good blurb in about one page or so? Use the PG USA as a starting point, but I would suggest putting a little more emphasis on protecting and promoting the public domain. We in Canada actually have more fertile territory here, and it's worth protecting. Gardner Buchanan wrote:
On 18:19:07 Darryl Moore wrote:
That would help. But the most helpful would be an endorsement by prominent Canadian authors such as Pierre Button, Margaret Atwood, John Ralston Saul and others.
It would probably be worthwhile to write to Saul and/or Clarkson.
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As I see it, this list is currently operated through pglaf.org which is in the US. . .should we move to a Canadian host?
There is no issue that I see to this list being host in the States as the content of the list will not contain any material which infringes anybodies copyright in any country. The important thing is to make sure that the server hosting all the PD works is in Canada and the ISP we are connected to is 100% Canadian. Michael Hart wrote:
As I see it, this list is currently operated through pglaf.org which is in the US. . .should we move to a Canadian host?
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