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Posted (#40489, Durkheim) !
by Al Haines 12 Aug '12

12 Aug '12

Le Suicide, by Emile Durkheim 40489 [Subtitle: Etude de Sociologie] [Language: French] [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/4/0/4/8/40489 ] [Files: 40489-8.txt; 40489-0.txt] Thanks to Mireille Harmelin, Eric Vautier and the Online Distributed Proofreaders Europe at http://dp.rastko.net. This file was produced from images generously made available by the BibliothÃ¨que nationale de France (BnF/Gallica). Regards, Al

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Posted (#40488, Coulthard) !
by Al Haines 12 Aug '12

12 Aug '12

The Story of an Ancient Parish, by H. R. Coulthard 40488 [Subtitle: Breage with Germoe] [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/4/0/4/8/40488 ] [Files: 40488.txt; 40488-8.txt; 40488-0.txt; 40488-h.htm] Thanks to Chris Curnow, Paul Clark and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net (This file was produced from images generously made available by The Internet Archive) Regards, Al

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Posted (#40487, Hay) !
by Al Haines 12 Aug '12

12 Aug '12

Happy-Go-Lucky, by Ian Hay 40487 [Illustrator: C. E. Brock] [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/4/0/4/8/40487 ] [Files: 40487.txt; 40487-8.txt; 40487-0.txt; 40487-h.htm 40487-rst.rst] [All the file formats were generated at the time of posting from an RST master file.] Thanks to Al Haines Regards, Al

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Posted (#40484, McCulley) !
by Janet Blenkinship 12 Aug '12

12 Aug '12

Black Star's Campaign, by Johnston McCulley 40484 [Subtitle: A Detective Story] [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/4/0/4/8/40484 ] [Files: 40484.txt; 40484-8.txt; 40484-h.htm] Thanks to Robert Cicconetti, Mary Meehan and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net (This file was produced from images generously made available by The Internet Archive/American Libraries.) Many thanks Janet

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Posted (#40483, Bennett) !
by Al Haines 12 Aug '12

12 Aug '12

These Twain, by Arnold Bennett 40483 [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/4/0/4/8/40483 ] [Files: 40483.txt; 40483-8.txt; 40483-0.txt; 40483-h.htm 40483-rst.rst] [All the file formats were generated at the time of posting from an RST master file.] Thanks to Al Haines Regards, Al

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Re: [posted] Language detection error? (Re: Posted (#40466, Sifferath) !)
by Al Haines 11 Aug '12

11 Aug '12

When a copyright clearance is submitted, the only allowed language entry on the clearance form is a language code, e.g. "en". When the finished ebook files are later uploaded, that "en" is translated into "English", which is what comes to the WWers. I suspect that if this translation can't be done, as apparently with "oj", either because the copyright submitter or uploader entered an incorrect or unknown code, the code is passed as-is to the WWers, unless the uploader intervenes with the full name of the language. Al > -----Original Message----- > From: Blower Nigel [mailto:NBlower@Queenedith.cambs.sch.uk] > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 12:22 PM > To: Al Haines; gbnewby(a)pglaf.org > Cc: 'Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements'; 'Peter Podgor > ek'; dp-post(a)pgdp.net; 'Andrew Sly'; 'Marcello Perathoner' > Subject: RE: Language detection error? (Re: [posted] Posted > (#40466, Sifferath) !) > > > Thanks for clarifying Al. > > On the upload form, where you enter the language, it actually > says "Main language (two-letter code or single-word language > name):". The reason I put "oj" instead of "Ojibwa" is that I > had seen it spelt Ojibwa and Ojibwe, and thought if I entered > the ISO code there wouldn't be any confusion, and the code > would match whichever spelling had been decided upon for > cataloguing at PG. > > It appears as though I inadvertantly caused confusion - > sorry. What I could have done in retrospect is to also add > the full language name alternatives in the note to WWer. I > hadn't realised that the language part of it needed manual > intervention by Al. > > Perhaps if the 2 letter code is not good for the WWers, the > wording on the upload form should be changed. > > Thanks to all for sorting this out > Nigel > > ________________________________________ > From: Al Haines [ajhaines(a)shaw.ca] > Sent: 11 August 2012 19:42 > To: gbnewby(a)pglaf.org; Blower Nigel > Cc: 'Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements'; 'Peter Podgor > ek'; dp-post(a)pgdp.net; 'Andrew Sly'; 'Marcello Perathoner' > Subject: RE: Language detection error? (Re: [posted] Posted > (#40466, Sifferath) !) > > A couple of things happened with this one's language. > > Nigel says he entered "oj" on the upload form, which I > changed to "Ojibwa". (I had to figure this out from the > uploaded text file.) BUT, I forgot to save the change, which > left "oj". I'm guessing (and *only* > guessing) that the posting software saw "oj", didn't > understand it, and put "English", which is what ended up in > the catalog. If I had saved the change, "Ojibwa" would have > been added to PG's list of languages, and the catalog page correct. > > When Nigel informed me of this book's bibrec page showing > English, I tried to correct 40466's language to "Ojibwa", but > there's no mechanism (that I could see) in the catalog > back-end software to manually add a new language. (You *can* > add new authors.) When I did a wild-card search (*) to get > the full list of available languages, I found "Ojibwa, > Western", and used it. > > > Hint to DP uploaders: language names should always be written > in full. It saves the WWers from having to figure out, or ask > the uploader, what a code means. > > Al > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Newby [mailto:gbnewby@pglaf.org] > > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:22 AM > > To: Blower Nigel > > Cc: Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements; Peter Podgor ek; > > dp-post(a)pgdp.net; Andrew Sly; Marcello Perathoner; Al Haines > > Subject: Language detection error? (Re: [posted] Posted (#40466, > > Sifferath) !) > > > > > > Thanks for this closer look, Nigel. In response, I also > just took a > > closer look, and now wonder whether there was a glitch in the Web > > cataloging or human cataloging. I don't think it was Al > that entered > > "Ojibwa, Western," but the automatic post-processing & > cataloging that > > happens when new files are posted. > > > > Within the text (HTML and .txt) you can see the language is > Ojibwa, as > > you submitted: > > Language: Ojibwa > > > > But the bibrec page lists "Ojibwa, Western:" > > http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/40466 > > > > It might be that Marcello's automatic cataloging somehow > matched on a > > more specific language code (perhaps simply selecting the latest > > sorted code with a matching string). > > > > Based on your input, and the fact that the books do indicate Ojibwa > > withIN them, I think we should recode ISO 639-3 code "oji", as you > > indicated below. > > > > I'm cc'ing Andrew Sly, who (along with Marcello and I, and a few > > others) who can "make it so" in the bibrec. But we can see whether > > others have different opinions or diagnostics. > > > > Even if it's "Ojibwa," rather than "Ojibwa, Western", it's a new > > language for Project Gutenberg. Thanks again, > > -- Greg > > > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 05:39:52PM +0100, Blower Nigel wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > > > I'm not sure it is *Western* Ojibwa. > > > > > > The project at DP was labelled as Ojibwa, and after I PPVed > > it, when I > > > uploaded to PG, I entered the 2 character language code > > "oj" which is > > > the ISO 639-1 code for Ojibwa. The WWer, Al Haines, entered > > "Ojibwa, > > > Western" in the Bibrec, which is ISO 639-3 code "ojw". > > > > > > In my ignorance, I assumed that "Western Ojibwa" was the > > full name for > > > Ojibwa. Since Greg's email, I've investigated a bit more, > and there > > > are several Ojibwa dialects. Since on the title page Sifferath is > > > described as Missionary of the Ottawa and Otchipwe Indians, > > and this > > > page > > (http://home.kpn.nl/cvkolmes/ojibwe/Siff/Sifferath.htm) describes > > > the book as Sifferath's Odaawaa Catechism, perhaps the > > language would > > > be better described as "Ottawa", which is ISO 639-3 code > "otw", or > > > maybe just Ojibwa, ISO 639-3 code "oji" which is an > inclusive code, > > > would be sufficient. > > > > > > If you search for Ojibwa on the gutenberg site, some books > > do come up > > > which are labelled North American Indian "nai". > > > > > > Sorry if any of this confusion is my fault - do let me > know if you > > > need me to do anything about it. > > > > > > Regards > > > Nigel > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: Greg Newby [gbnewby(a)pglaf.org] > > > Sent: 11 August 2012 15:52 > > > To: Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements > > > Cc: Blower Nigel; Peter Podgor ek; dp-post(a)pgdp.net > > > Subject: Re: [posted] Posted (#40466, Sifferath) ! > > > > > > This is our first eBook in the language of Western Ojibwa! > > > -- Greg > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 01:57:51PM -0700, Al Haines wrote: > > > > > > > > A Short Compendium of the Catechism for the Indians, by > > N. L. Sifferath 40466 > > > > [Subtitle: With the Approbation of the Rt. Rev. > Frederic Baraga, > > > > Bishop of Saut Sainte Marie] > > > > [Other: Frederic Baraga] > > > > [Language: Ojibwa] > > > > [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/4/0/4/6/40466 ] > > > > [Files: 40466.txt; 40466-h.htm] > > > > > > > > Thanks to Peter Podgor?ek, Heiko Evermann and the Online > > Distributed > > > > Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net (This book was > produced > > > > from scanned images of public domain material from the > > Google Print > > > > project and from > > > > Canadiana.org) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Al > > > > > > > > > Dr. Gregory B. Newby > > > Chief Executive and Director > > > Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation www.gutenberg.org A > > > 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization with EIN 64-6221541 > > > gbnewby(a)pglaf.org > > > > > > The information in this email is confidential and may be legally > > > privileged. 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REPosted (#5123, Mill)
by David Widger 11 Aug '12

11 Aug '12

This file has been updated, removed from its old address in etext04, and filed under the new directory system. The Contest in America, by John Stuart Mill 5123 [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/5/1/2/5123 ] [Updated edition of: etext04/conam10.txt; conam10h.htm] [Files: 5123.txt; 5123-8.txt; 5123-h.htm] David

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Language detection error? (Re: Posted (#40466, Sifferath) !)
by Greg Newby 11 Aug '12

11 Aug '12

Thanks for this closer look, Nigel. In response, I also just took a closer look, and now wonder whether there was a glitch in the Web cataloging or human cataloging. I don't think it was Al that entered "Ojibwa, Western," but the automatic post-processing & cataloging that happens when new files are posted. Within the text (HTML and .txt) you can see the language is Ojibwa, as you submitted: Language: Ojibwa But the bibrec page lists "Ojibwa, Western:" http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/40466 It might be that Marcello's automatic cataloging somehow matched on a more specific language code (perhaps simply selecting the latest sorted code with a matching string). Based on your input, and the fact that the books do indicate Ojibwa withIN them, I think we should recode ISO 639-3 code "oji", as you indicated below. I'm cc'ing Andrew Sly, who (along with Marcello and I, and a few others) who can "make it so" in the bibrec. But we can see whether others have different opinions or diagnostics. Even if it's "Ojibwa," rather than "Ojibwa, Western", it's a new language for Project Gutenberg. Thanks again, -- Greg On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 05:39:52PM +0100, Blower Nigel wrote: > Hi all > > I'm not sure it is *Western* Ojibwa. > > The project at DP was labelled as Ojibwa, and after I PPVed it, when I uploaded to PG, I entered the 2 character language code "oj" which is the ISO 639-1 code for Ojibwa. The WWer, Al Haines, entered "Ojibwa, Western" in the Bibrec, which is ISO 639-3 code "ojw". > > In my ignorance, I assumed that "Western Ojibwa" was the full name for Ojibwa. Since Greg's email, I've investigated a bit more, and there are several Ojibwa dialects. Since on the title page Sifferath is described as Missionary of the Ottawa and Otchipwe Indians, and this page (http://home.kpn.nl/cvkolmes/ojibwe/Siff/Sifferath.htm) describes the book as Sifferath's Odaawaa Catechism, perhaps the language would be better described as "Ottawa", which is ISO 639-3 code "otw", or maybe just Ojibwa, ISO 639-3 code "oji" which is an inclusive code, would be sufficient. > > If you search for Ojibwa on the gutenberg site, some books do come up which are labelled North American Indian "nai". > > Sorry if any of this confusion is my fault - do let me know if you need me to do anything about it. > > Regards > Nigel > > ________________________________________ > From: Greg Newby [gbnewby(a)pglaf.org] > Sent: 11 August 2012 15:52 > To: Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements > Cc: Blower Nigel; Peter Podgor ek; dp-post(a)pgdp.net > Subject: Re: [posted] Posted (#40466, Sifferath) ! > > This is our first eBook in the language of Western Ojibwa! > -- Greg > > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 01:57:51PM -0700, Al Haines wrote: > > > > A Short Compendium of the Catechism for the Indians, by N. L. Sifferath 40466 > > [Subtitle: With the Approbation of the Rt. Rev. Frederic Baraga, > > Bishop of Saut Sainte Marie] > > [Other: Frederic Baraga] > > [Language: Ojibwa] > > [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/4/0/4/6/40466 ] > > [Files: 40466.txt; 40466-h.htm] > > > > Thanks to Peter Podgor?ek, Heiko Evermann and the Online > > Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net (This > > book was produced from scanned images of public domain > > material from the Google Print project and from > > Canadiana.org) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Al > > > Dr. Gregory B. Newby > Chief Executive and Director > Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation www.gutenberg.org > A 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization with EIN 64-6221541 > gbnewby(a)pglaf.org > > The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you receive this email by mistake please notify the sender and delete it immediately. Opinions expressed are those of the individual and do not necessarily represent the opinion of The Queens? Federation. All sent and received emails from The Queens? Federation are automatically scanned for the presence of computer viruses and security issues.

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Posted (#40480, Altsheler) !
by Al Haines 11 Aug '12

11 Aug '12

The Quest of the Four, by Joseph A. Altsheler 40480 [Subtitle: A Story of the Comanches and Buena Vista] [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/4/0/4/8/40480 ] [Files: 40480.txt; 40480-8.txt; 40480-0.txt; 40480-h.htm 40480-rst.rst] [All the file formats were generated at the time of posting from an RST master file.] Thanks to Al Haines Regards, Al

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Posted (#40479, Rosen) !
by Al Haines 11 Aug '12

11 Aug '12

In the Foreign Legion, by Erwin Rosen 40479 [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/4/0/4/7/40479 ] [Files: 40479.txt; 40479-8.txt; 40479-h.htm] Thanks to sp1nd and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net (This file was produced from images generously made available by The Internet Archive) Regards, Al

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