[posted] Re: UNposted (#30387, Ford)

[Greg Newby]

Whitewashers:

Let's go ahead and reuse #30387, since a replacement is not
immediately forthcoming.

Thanks ...  Greg

On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 06:24:50PM -0800, Greg Newby wrote:
> As a result of a copyright complaint, I have removed #30387 from the
> Project Gutenberg collection:
> 
> Hand-book for Travellers in Spain and Readers at Home, by Richard Ford   30387
> 
> As described below, DP utilized a different print source than the one
> that was cleared.  This is a problem, and should not have been done.
> 
> The newer print source included an index and new footnotes, which were
> not omitted (the new intro was).  I suspect that the internal page
> references (which are similar enough to an index to be considered as new
> authorship) were also from the 1966 edition, and perhaps other small
> updates.
> 
> To summarize PG's approach (see 
>   www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:No_Sweat_of_the_Brow_Copyright ):
> 
>  - new indexes get a new copyright
>  - new footnotes or inline notes get a new copyright
>  - new intro/endnote/commentary get a new copyright
>  - revised page numbers do not get a new copyright
>  - small spelling changes, or trivial modernization, do not get
>     a new copyright
>  - large-scale modernization (like from middle english to modern)
>     does get a new copyright
>  - translation does get a new copyright
>  - new images get a new copyright
> 
> In order to place this back in the PG collection, we would need to
> either (1) start from scratch with the 1845 or 1855 edition, or (2)
> carefully compare the 1966 to the earlier edition to make sure that all
> modern materials are removed.  To be appropriately duly diligent, a
> comparison would need to be page by page.  I would ask pagination to be
> changed to reflect that in the 1845/55 edition, not 1966.
> 
> If (1) or (2) is is forthcoming, we can hold #30387 as "reserved."  If
> not, we will reuse the eBook #.  Will Chuck or someone else at DP let me
> know the plan?
> 
> Thanks.  Greg
> 
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from Greg Newby <gbnewby at pglaf.org> -----
> 
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:02:48 -0800
> From: Greg Newby <gbnewby at pglaf.org>
> To: Ian Robertson <ianrobertson at wanadoo.fr>
> Subject: Re: Follow up
> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14)
> 
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 09:20:18AM +0100, Ian Robertson wrote:
> > Just a note to remind you that I expect to hear more from you over Ford's Hand-Book early in the New Year, which I trust will be a better one for all concerned.
> 
> Sorry for my delay with this, Ian. In fact, I had all the information 2
> weeks ago, but neglected to complete my research and send a follow-up
> before taking a few vacation days.
> 
> The answer is that you are correct as to the print source used.  The
> proofreading was done against the 1966 SIU Press edition, which you
> edited.  This was obtained via Google Books, I believe.
> 
> I have copies of the actual scans used by our Distributed Proofreaders
> (www.pgdp.net), and have confirmed that DP did not include your newly
> authored introduction from the 1966 edition.  However, the index,
> footnotes, and internal page references (like "see page 1190") were
> retained.
> 
> We frequently use later reprints, for practical purposes (like their
> availability, or quality of the printed book), and have a procedure for
> this:
> 
>   www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Volunteers%27_FAQ#V.19._Are_reprints_or_facsimiles_eligible.3F
> 
> As you probably already know, new copyrights are granted for new acts of
> authorship, not reprints:
> 
>   www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:No_Sweat_of_the_Brow_Copyright
> 
> In examining the eBook at www.gutenberg.org/etext/30387
> I see that the index and footnotes from your 1966 edition
> were used inappropriately.  Without comparing to the earlier
> edition, I cannot tell whether there were internal page
> references earlier (updating page numbers would not be
> considered an act of authorship, though identifying internal
> references would, like an index, typically be thought of
> as authorship).
> 
> As a result, it is now clear to me that our item #30387
> includes both public domain materials, and your own 
> authored materials from the 1966 edition. 
> 
> As a result of this research, I have now removed our #30387
> from the Project Gutenberg collection.  We will seek to
> replace it with a new edition that is wholly derived
> from the public domain print source.
> 
> On behalf of Project Gutenberg, I apologize for this oversight.
> Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
> 
>   Greg Newby
> 
> Dr. Gregory B. Newby
> Chief Executive and Director
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