September 2004 - gutvol-d - lists.pglaf.org

www.gutenberg.org
by Marcello Perathoner 25 Dec '05

25 Dec '05

As of my request ibiblio has changed our apache virtual host ServerName from gutenberg.net to www.gutenberg.org. What? Nothing changes in web site operation except one little particular (if you hit a non-existing url you get redirected to www.gutenberg.org instead of gutenberg.net) Why? The .org top-level domain is meant for non-profit organizations while the .net domain is meant for network infrastructure such as providers, backbones etc. We own both gutenberg.net and gutenberg.org, but using the latter one is just more standard-compliant. Although both urls www.gutenberg.net and www.gutenberg.org give exactly the same results, you should start using www.gutenberg.org in all publications, papers etc. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.org

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[Fwd: Project Gutenberg Featured on October Ibiblio page]
by Marcello Perathoner 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

-------- Original Message -------- Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Slovney <epyon(a)metalab.unc.edu> To: webmaster(a)gutenberg.org Subject: Project Gutenberg Featured on October Ibiblio page Ibiblio is pleased to announce that Project Gutenberg is selected be featured on the main page on ibiblio.org for the month of October. We wanted to notify you ahead of time incase you need to make changes in preparation for the potential increase in traffic on your site, and to congratulate you for your contributions to ibiblio. If you need anything from us or if being featured on the main page is a problem, please let us know before the end of September. Thanks. -- Sean Slovney epyon(a)ibiblio.org (919) 962-5646 -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.org

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PG mentioned on usenet
by Andrew Sly 28 Sep '04

28 Sep '04

I periodically search usenet newgroups to see how and where Project Gutenberg is mentioned. Here's an excerpt from a recent posting to misc.writing which shows the kind of reaction I hope many people are having when they download a PG text. Andrew Note: LW=Little Women So I didn't actually read LW until I was an adult, and forced to read it out of professional obligation. I'm still not that horribly KEEN on it, but it introduced me to other works by Alcott, and she was one heckuva lady. The voice she uses in her "adult" books is totally different from her kid lit. As part of my recent research I just finished "Hospital Sketches"--based on her brief career as a Civil War nurse--and it's so like a precursor to M*A*S*H, sort of this horrifying tragicomic mix of bureaucracy and death. It's a short read, available at Project Gutenberg if folks are so inclined. (Warning, though: I opened up the text file just to make sure it didn't get corrupted and wound up dropping everything to read the whole thing.)

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Hand Shadows to Be Thrown upon the Wall
by Andrew Sly 26 Sep '04

26 Sep '04

For those who are interested, the lastest download numbers for Hand Shadows to Be Thrown upon the Wall by Henry Bursill are 16027 (just from ibiblio) Not bad for a book that was only released two months ago. Andrew

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re: re: Re: [gutvol-d] New Online Reader
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

joshua said: > If you are introducing a 2-7% error rate > into the texts (those are your figures) that is > absolutely and completely unacceptable. > You are making them WORSE than they were before. no, the texts are "in error" as they stand. those all-caps errors are no better than a no-caps error or an initial-caps error, even if you have become inured to them. and as long as the auto-changes are marked, anyone can reverse them, so there is no harm in making the "guesses". none at all. _zero._ -bowerbird

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] New Online Reader
by Joshua Hutchinson 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

Wrong. If you are introducing a 2-7% error rate into the texts (those are your figures) that is absolutely and completely unacceptable. You are making them WORSE than they were before. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Bowerbird(a)aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:49:31 EDT To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org, Bowerbird(a)aol.com Subject: re: Re: [gutvol-d] New Online Reader > marcello said: > > Bottom line: if information has been lost, > > never use guessing to recover it > > but go back to the source. > > wrong. > > in an ideal world, with unlimited resources, sure. > > but in the real world of project gutenberg now, > where no one seems even the least bit eager to > _ever_ "go back to the source" and correct that > practice of using all-caps to indicate emphasis? > > for _that_, a more-practical strategy is called for. > > if, by using guessing, the information that you "restore" > is right in the vast majority of the cases (e.g., 93-98%), > then you _should_ do that. you should also, of course, > clearly _mark_ all of the changes that you have made, > so the users know they need to be evaluated with care. > > then, as i have argued here quite extensively in the past, > you need to put into place a robust mechanism that will > encourage users to report errors, and then act on them... > > but you still want to go ahead and make those changes... > > -bowerbird > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] New Online Reader
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

marcello said: > Bottom line: if information has been lost, > never use guessing to recover it > but go back to the source. wrong. in an ideal world, with unlimited resources, sure. but in the real world of project gutenberg now, where no one seems even the least bit eager to _ever_ "go back to the source" and correct that practice of using all-caps to indicate emphasis? for _that_, a more-practical strategy is called for. if, by using guessing, the information that you "restore" is right in the vast majority of the cases (e.g., 93-98%), then you _should_ do that. you should also, of course, clearly _mark_ all of the changes that you have made, so the users know they need to be evaluated with care. then, as i have argued here quite extensively in the past, you need to put into place a robust mechanism that will encourage users to report errors, and then act on them... but you still want to go ahead and make those changes... -bowerbird

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Re: [BP] [gweekly] Pt2 Project Gutenberg Weekly Newsletter (fwd)
by Michael Hart 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:03:43 -0400 From: Stewart C. Russell <scruss(a)sympatico.ca> To: Book People mailing list <spok+bookpeople(a)cs.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: [BP] [gweekly] Pt2 Project Gutenberg Weekly Newsletter Project Gutenberg Newsletter wrote: > > http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/4300 > > Basically this paginates the txt file and remembers your last position > in a cookie so you can later resume reading where you left off. A worthy effort, but it doesn't use standard document navigation, so I can't use the "Top / Up / First / Previous / Next / Last / Document / More" standard navigation bar that my browser gives me. Conforming documents make this feature one of the great joys of using Mozilla. Stewart [Moderator: For more about standard document navigation links in HTML, see http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-links . Note that Mozilla's link toolbar appears to use more types of link relationships than are specified in the HTML standard, but it does also appear to recognize the standard ones. - JMO] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via the Book People mailing list. Posting address: spok+bookpeople(a)cs.cmu.edu Admin. & unsubscribe address: spok+bookpeople-request(a)cs.cmu.edu Charter: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/bplist/

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New Online Reader
by Marcello Perathoner 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

There is a new experimental online reader available. Start from any bibliographic record page, eg. http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/4300 Basically this paginates the txt file and remembers your last position in a cookie so you can later resume reading where you left off. Please test it. It should work with any book that has a text file where the encoding is known. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.net

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speaking of readers
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 22 Sep '04

22 Sep '04

speaking of readers, i've got a new version of my viewer-program ready for upload today for the first day of fall. to join the beta-test, just send an e-mail to: zml_talk(a)yahoogroups.com thank you for your time... -bowerbird p.s. the onset of fall is in 5 minutes, at 9:30 pacific...

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