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re: [gutvol-d] Categorizing PG content
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 14 Jul '06

14 Jul '06

joey said: > I have a 100Mb/s municipal fiber connection > and almost 2 terabytes of disk space available, > and "download[ing] vast portions of the library" > is not an option for me. well joey, i do look forward to your tool, when you find time to create it, because these general discussions we are having around this topic have a lot of fuzziness about them, which must all be resolved when one starts writing code. so i won't respond to all your points until i can see exactly what you meant by them. but this point here is quite easy to deal with. downloading the project gutenberg library -- even the whole thing -- can be a breeze. first of all, as is always the default with me, i'm only concerned with one version of each -- the "master version", in z.m.l. format -- as the other versions can be spun out of it. second, as i said, it's reasonable to eliminate big classes of e-texts from the downloading, such as the human genome files, audio/video, and books in languages that you don't read... third, there are a lot of duplicate files where pieces of a volume were presented separately, and then the volume as a whole in another file. now that we have the information (thanks greg), those separate-piece files can easily be ignored. fourth, there are some people who will not want the magazines that are being added increasingly. once you've eliminated all of these files from your download queue, you find the list is much smaller. on to the next step... i have written a program that lets a person click one button to start downloading e-texts as a background process on their machine. as soon as one e-text has been completely received, the next one is requested, thus the downloading is _relentless_, and you'd be surprised how fast it goes. for a d.s.l. person like myself, after doing the deletions i mentioned above, it will merely take _a_few_days_ to download all the e-texts. to get the _whole_ library, it might take you a week or so. but remember, during this whole time, you will not have to do a single thing. all you had to do was click that one button. plus, you do have to enter a code every 108 minutes, but it's just this sequence of 6 numbers, no big deal. ;+) > I also don't agree with the implied assertion here > that having the full (or even "vast portions of the") > library means that users don't want help identifying > and locating content within that collection. it was only because i knew some might _infer_ such an "assertion" that i closed my post with the explicit note that this later purpose _is_ still "handy", and therefore should be the _focus_ of this task. did you read that? > I generally avoid topics once you start weighing in on them, > so I may have missed the applicable portions from the last time > this topic came up. well that's a remarkable admission. since i "weigh in" on every topic that is _interesting_ and usually "start" doing so fairly early in the thread, that must mean you're "avoiding" most of the posts, and all the interesting threads. life must be sad. :+) at any rate, i thank you for your candor. perhaps you will thank me for mine when i tell you that if you didn't read what i have written on this topic before, you're likely to take a path that will end up biting your ass. *** anyway, as i read your proposal, it's a social tagging scheme. as a general approach, that would be one way of doing things. again, the specifics are vital, so let us know when you have 'em. -bowerbird

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Copyright question
by Juhana Sadeharju 14 Jul '06

14 Jul '06

Hello. Most often I hear that the copyright of the book lasts 80 years after the death of author. But it is normal that the copyright is transferred to the publisher in the contract. Then why the copyright expiration is still tied to the author who don't have the copyright anymore? Is this misuse of copyright law? Should author keep the copyright (and publisher only license) so that the death+80 rule applies? That is most convenient to publishers, of course, because they get the copyright and its expiration is still tied to the author. In the example case, the book writing contract was made 8 years ago and the contract included the second edition published now. Because the publisher owns the copyright of the second edition already due the contract, the author has never owned the copyright. So how in this case the copyright expiration could never be tied to the author? Juhana

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re: [gutvol-d] Categorizing PG content
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 14 Jul '06

14 Jul '06

andrew said: > You've hinted a few times that I'm just starting from > scratch here, ignoring what has already been done. not you in particular. all of us in general. :+) it seems to me that _you_ are far ahead of the crowd by virtue of the fact that you're actively working on it. and i look forward to your results when you show us. -bowerbird

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Re: [gutvol-d] Categorizing PG content
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 13 Jul '06

13 Jul '06

it's a good thing i don't respond to jon noring any more or i'd just get bogged down in shit like markup and metadata. programming is a whole lot more fun. :+) -bowerbird p.s. luv ya, jon, no, seriously! thanks for all the work you do!

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re: [gutvol-d] DVD: last check
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 13 Jul '06

13 Jul '06

greg- here is a slight reworking of that info-page you made on the d.v.d. search for question-marks to find questions i had... -bowerbird =========================================================== "july 2006 special" -- current as of ebook #18739 =========================================================== baseline: everything but the hgp: 1-2199 (then skip 2200-2224) 2225-3500 (then skip 3501-3524) 3525-11774 (then skip 11775-11799) 11800-20000 =========================================================== particular items of interest included that are not text and not html: 116 (zip/avi, select "all") -- apollo 11 moon landing movie 156 (midi, select "all") -- beethoven's 5th symphony audio 249 (zip/html) -- french cave-paintings pictures 256 (zip/mpg) -- rotating-earth movie 3002 (mp3) -- janis ian, society's child audio 5212-5216 ("all") -- a-bomb videos (was "5212-5215"? -- is 5216 a compilation?) 9551 ("all") -- human-read sherlock holmes audio 10177 ("all") -- ride of the valkyries, audio 17246 ("all") , but it doesn't include all the mp3s -- wrong e-text #? =========================================================== selected top-100 titles to specify as html: 11 -- alice in wonderland (does this mean you used #928?) 132 -- art of war (does this mean you used #17405?) 5000 (da vinci notebooks, html?, complete set of #4998 and #4999?) 5001 -- einstein's relativity 5200 -- "metamorphosis" (anything special about this html file?) 8710 -- dore bible illustrations 8800 -- dante's divine comedy (only available as html download) 9551 -- human-read sherlock holmes 10681 -- roget's thesaurus (heavily formatted with styles) 13510 -- "knots, splices and rope work" =========================================================== a few extras to specify as html: 10600 -- kerr's "voyages and travels" (but no images in this file?) illustrated beatrix potter: 17089, 15575, 15284, 15234, 15137, 15077, 14877, 14872, 14868, 14848, 14838, 14837, 14814, 14797, 14407, 14304, 14220, 12103 the first 20 punch: -- (all of the punch are listed separately below) 18114, 17994, 17654, 17653, 17634, 17629, 17596, 17471, 17397, 17216, 16877, 16727, 16717, 16707, 16684, 16673, 16640, 16628, 16619, 16592, the sciam (232mb) -- (listed below) -- (so, were all these included on the dvd?) =========================================================== eliminate some titles that are part of series. these "complete" volumes were skipped, and their individual volumes were retained.) to skip (a total of 245 duplicate "completes"): 17216, 16205, 16190, 16146, 13260, 13042, 12242, 12215, 12161, 11996, 11976, 10876, 9774, 9761, 9755, 9670, 9600, 9450, 9320, 9170, 9169, 8800, 8726, 8710, 8562, 8525, 8516, 8505, 8460, 8100, 7878, 7852, 7761, 7756, 7749, 7735, 7727, 7714, 7701, 7691, 7684, 7671, 7658, 7649, 7639, 7630, 7623, 7614, 7608, 7605, 7535, 7420, 7400, 7332, 7317, 7290, 7140, 7025, 7005, 6944, 6941, 6780, 6775, 6761, 6615, 6516, 6478, 6400, 6300, 6299, 6295, 6291, 6288, 6284, 6280, 6274, 6271, 6267, 6260, 6253, 6249, 6241, 6236, 6229, 6222, 6217, 6214, 6210, 6205, 6201, 6194, 6191, 6179, 6156, 6098, 5999, 5998, 5946, 5921, 5668, 5650, 5600, 5587, 5583, 5577, 5571, 5560, 5551, 5542, 5529, 5516, 5507, 5499, 5493, 5482, 5472, 5466, 5460, 5449, 5416, 5400, 5396, 5387, 5382, 5373, 5364, 5355, 5300, 5240, 5225, 5060, 5059, 5058, 5057, 5056, 5055, 5000, 4973, 4912, 4900, 4899, 4885, 4884, 4872, 4860, 4847, 4836, 4800, 4645, 4546, 4500, 4491, 4488, 4482, 4476, 4470, 4464, 4460, 4452, 4443, 4434, 4426, 4420, 4412, 4405, 4397, 4367, 4362, 4361, 4330, 4270, 4269, 4264, 4261, 4200, 4199, 4195, 4184, 4171, 4162, 4153, 4145, 4138, 4131, 4125, 4116, 4107, 3999, 3995, 3990, 3985, 3980, 3975, 3971, 3967, 3962, 3957, 3953, 3946, 3942, 3938, 3934, 3930, 3926, 3922, 3918, 3913, 3899, 3883, 3859, 3854, 3846, 3841, 3766, 3739, 3684, 3649, 3600, 3580, 3567, 3545, 3534, 3374, 3350, 3254, 3253, 3252, 3199, 3189, 3178, 3177, 3176, 3125, 3090, 3072, 2988, 2895, 2760, 2270, 2144, 1837, 100, 86, 76, 74 =========================================================== these individual volumes skipped, their "complete" version retained. (do i have that right?) 11801-11856 8301-8373 8228-8293 8001-8066 6419-6420 6348-6349 6161 5010-5049 1609-1610 1581-1582 =========================================================== hgp items to skip (the reverse of the first list above): 11775-11799 3501-3524 -- (the original "4501-3524" was a mistake?) 2200-2224 =========================================================== here are all the punch/punchinello issues (about 660mb): 18114, 17994, 17654, 17653, 17634, 17629, 17596, 17471, 17397, 17216, 16877, 16727, 16717, 16707, 16684, 16673, 16640, 16628, 16619, 16592, 16563, 16509, 16401, 16394, 16364, 16281, 16271, 16263, 16213, 16152, 16113, 16107, 15973, 15957, 15912, 15742, 15688, 15677, 15657, 15615, 15605, 15594, 15512, 15453, 15442, 15441, 15439, 15377, 15366, 15332, 15330, 15196, 15166, 15144, 15142, 15121, 15064, 15049, 15026, 15021, 15012, 14991, 14974, 14973, 14966, 14965, 14942, 14941, 14940, 14939, 14938, 14937, 14936, 14935, 14934, 14933, 14932, 14931, 14930, 14929, 14928, 14927, 14926, 14925, 14924, 14923, 14922, 14921, 14920, 14919, 14856, 14846, 14845, 14808, 14787, 14769, 14767, 14747, 14745, 14707, 14695, 14694, 14690, 14652, 14639, 14601, 14592, 14544, 14516, 14514, 14483, 14455, 14452, 14450, 14390, 14389, 14365, 14364, 14344, 14341, 14321, 14277, 14272, 14250, 14231, 14229, 14217, 14199, 14186, 14166, 14165, 14146, 14141, 14135, 14123, 14122, 14093, 14074, 14067, 14057, 14053, 14046, 13995, 13994, 13966, 13961, 13954, 13927, 13903, 13710, 13639, 13563, 13538, 13503, 13502, 13491, 13466, 13465, 13446, 13422, 13421, 13391, 13390, 13373, 13352, 13348, 13327, 13323, 13313, 13297, 13283, 13281, 13270, 13269, 13253, 13252, 13244, 13186, 13185, 13098, 13074, 13067, 12951, 12944, 12934, 12917, 12905, 12872, 12866, 12860, 12825, 12739, 12738, 12737, 12614, 12536, 12517, 12469, 12468, 12467, 12466, 12465, 12395, 12394, 12393, 12392, 12378, 12323, 12306, 12305, 12294, 12292, 12262, 12232, 12231, 12114, 12079, 12043, 11963, 11919, 11910, 11908, 11907, 11872, 11868, 11732, 11726, 11712, 11704, 11670, 11638, 11630, 11629, 11619, 11617, 11571, 11570, 11491, 11466, 11444, 11443, 11429, 11428, 11425, 11359, 11284, 11225, 11201, 11177, 11169, 11133, 11109, 11094, 11076, 10964, 10952, 10934, 10933, 10923, 10903, 10721, 10711, 10663, 10614, 10595, 10594, 10544, 10450, 10292, 10144, 10143, 10106, 10105, 10104, 10092, 10091, 10047, 10036, 10035, 10034, 10033, 10032, 10019, 10018, 10017, 10016, 10015, 10014, 10013, 9962, 9961, 9960, 9953, 9898, 9885, 9877, 9819, 9797, 9658, 9636, 9549, 9545, 9544, 9481, 8643, 8433 =========================================================== all the scientific american supplements (about 235mb) 18345, 18265, 17817, 17755, 17167, 16972, 16948, 16792, 16773, 16671, 16360, 16354, 16353, 16270, 15889, 15833, 15831, 15708, 15417, 15193, 15052, 15051, 15050, 14990, 14989, 14097, 14041, 14009, 13962, 13939, 13640, 13443, 13401, 13399, 13358, 12490, 11761, 11736, 11735, 11734, 11662, 11649, 11648, 11647, 11498, 11385, 11383, 11344, 9666, 9266, 4], 9163, 9076, 8952, 8951, 8950, 8862, 8742, 8718, 8717, 8687, 8559, 8504, 8484, 8483, 8452, 8408, 8391, 8297, 8296, 8195, ===========================================================

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writely and so on
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 12 Jul '06

12 Jul '06

given the emergence of rich-text editing on the web, exemplified by writely (which will be widespread soon, since google bought 'em), has distributed proofreaders explored this new possibility yet? -bowerbird

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Re: [gutvol-d] Categorizing PG content
by Joshua Hutchinson 11 Jul '06

11 Jul '06

How is it that the OCLC can enforce such a claim when the DDS was first written in 1870 (according to their website)? Shouldn't it be out of copyright and therefore open for anyone to use? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Sly" <sly(a)victoria.tc.ca> > > Drawbacks: > > Intellectual rights claims may limit usage. (OCLC claims rights > > to use this system and licences it out to libraries.) >

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Re: [gutvol-d] Copyrighted texts in PG catalog
by Joshua Hutchinson 11 Jul '06

11 Jul '06

Quick look through my recently posted shows these: 16697 - marked as copyright, but has an extra .htm file. Keep the .html and delete the .htm 16939 16940 16941 16983 (This one also has an extra .htm file. Keep the .html and delete the .htm) 16984 (This one also has an extra .htm file. Keep the .html and delete the .htm) 16985 (This one also has an extra .htm file. Keep the .html and delete the .htm) 16986 (This one also has an extra .htm file. Keep the .html and delete the .htm) 17309 17310 Josh NOTE: For those curious, I believe the extra .htm file came about because we reposted these recently to fix a problem with a missing PGHeader/Footer text and the old scripts generated .htm and the new scripts generate .html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Sly" <sly(a)victoria.tc.ca> > To: "Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion" <gutvol-d(a)pglaf.org> > Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Copyrighted texts in PG catalog > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:56:03 -0700 (PDT) > > > That is a good question. > > Well, I have one guess. When I look at the copyrighted PG texts > posted in 2005, it looks like they all have these two lines in > the header: > > ** This is a COPYRIGHTED Project Gutenberg eBook, Details Below ** > ** Please follow the copyright guidelines in this file. ** > > In the text in question, I found this: > > This is a _copyrighted_ Project Gutenberg eBook, details below. Please > follow the copyright guidelines in this file. > > I would guess that it is something to do with the particular > formatting with the **'s > > I've marked PG#16697 as copyrighted and generated a new page > for it. How many others might be like this...? > > Andrew > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Joshua Hutchinson wrote: > > > What does the catalog system check for to see if a text is copyrighted? For > > instance, http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/16697, is copyrighted, and shows up > > as such in each file, but the catalog page shows that it is NOT copyrighted. > > Is this something I make have done wrong (or David did wrong in posting) or > > is it a problem with the catalog system? > > > > Thanks, > > Josh > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d >

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Copyrighted texts in PG catalog
by Joshua Hutchinson 11 Jul '06

11 Jul '06

What does the catalog system check for to see if a text is copyrighted? For instance, http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/16697, is copyrighted, and shows up as such in each file, but the catalog page shows that it is NOT copyrighted. Is this something I make have done wrong (or David did wrong in posting) or is it a problem with the catalog system? Thanks, Josh

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Comments & Questions About Book Illustrations
by Jacqulyn Perry 11 Jul '06

11 Jul '06

Hi; Obviously, I'm new here. I realize that the Project is mainly text driven, but... I down loaded Hans Christian Anderson Fairy Tales edition with Edmund Dulac's illustrations-after jumping around the room in joyful glee-then realized that the dpi on the images isn't high enough to print them out, with the rest of the book. At least, not very well. Then, the images-or scans of them-were so dark that you can't even really see them. I'm assuming that that's mainly due to the age of the book. Anyway, I took the liberty of working with the illos a little... I lightened them a little, so they were viewable, and placed them in a folder in my computer, leaving the original image file in the ebook folder alone. I'm more than happy to send these lightened images to someone, to see if they want to re-place the exsisting image file in the ebook with THIS file. They aren't any higher dpi ofcourse, but at least people will be able to see them. But if there is an interest, I need to know who as well as how to send them. My question is this... why aren't the images higher res? I realize it would take up more space, but it would be wonderful to be able to have good quality illos to go along with the text. But then, besides being a reader, I'm a visual artist myself. But it would be wonderful, especially given the fact that so much of this artwork is completly inaccessable to the public, or if available in poster/print form, its anywhere from $45-$80 or more for a small reproduction, and this is work thats in the public domain! Anyway, sorry about the rant. Leigh --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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