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re: [gutvol-d] Categorizing PG content
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

andrew said: > And yes, I am also aware of many sources we > could look to for some ideas. scraping will give you more than "ideas"... ;+) > Probably the most productive would be > taking a look at places that have reformatted > PG texts and presented them anew, such as > Blackmask, or Samizdat. fantastic idea! -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] Categorizing PG content
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

joey said: > I don't think a wiki entry per book is > a very elegant or scalable way to approach this. again, i suggested a wiki for _coordination_, not for cataloging per se. there's a whole lot of coordination that needs to be done before you can even begin the cataloging. but having said that, i would agree with joey that it wouldn't be elegant or scalable to have a wiki-page for each book, and i don't think anyone would even suggest that for "a catalog". (you might want to have a separate wiki-page for each book for _discussion_ about that book, but that would be an entirely different animal.) i'd suggest a wiki-page for each "big category" -- e.g., reference, fiction, nonfiction, serials -- with a list of e-book numbers and titles in each. when a page gets too big, split it into sub-pages depending on what kind of split of it makes sense. (that's assuming that a split _does_ make sense.) but again, much of the thought-work on this has already been done previously on this very listserve, so someone should first recover all of that work instead of doing it all over again from scratch... further, it should be possible to leverage some of the work that greg just did in creating the d.v.d. for instance, i draw your attention to the files here: > http://snowy.arsc.alaska.edu/gbn/pgimages/amazon/ there are amazon pages for the penguin classics library; one list is sorted by title, the other list is sorted by author. although the book-links on these copied pages don't work, if you go to the current amazon pages, the links will work. those individual-book pages could be quite useful to you. for instance, the one for "around the world in 80 days" has: > Subjects > > Literature & Fiction > General > Classics > > Literature & Fiction > World Literature > British > 19th Century > > Literature & Fiction > World Literature > French > > Look for similar items by subject Classics > Fiction > French Novel And Short Story > Literature - Classics / Criticism > Literature: Classics > Voyages around the world > 19th century fiction > Classic fiction > Fiction / Classics > French if you were to scrape the amazon page for every e-text that p.g. has, you'd end up with a lot of information to help you create a catalog... perhaps the first thing you need to do is make a skeleton of exactly how you want your catalog to look, and how you want it to behave... -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] Categorizing PG content
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

andrew said: > Thanks for trying to help here bb. thanks for recognizing the intent. > I'm trying to move ahead with something that > will actually contribute to making PG content > more accessible to many people out there. that's a great goal. putting your plan on a wiki -- the _plan_, not necessarily the catalog itself, although that might be a rather good idea too -- will ensure that other people will cumulate on it, if your current execution doesn't take it all the way to completion. otherwise, the institutional memory will be lost, and they'll be starting from scratch again, just like you are now. make sure your work _persists_. a wiki will even help in getting new people "up to speed" as the come on-board your effort. it's rather unwieldy to access the archives of these listserves, as well as to keep up with "the current policy" when it necessarily evolves quickly... *** as for dewey decimal and the o.c.l.c., why don't you approach them and tell them you'd like to use their system for p.g., and maybe even ask them to contribute some of their _expertise_ in addition to simply granting permission. i would think that some people over there might be happy to do pro bono for p.g. -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] Categorizing PG content
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

andrew said: > Any extensive discussions might be better placed on the gutcat list. extensive discussions on this topic were already held here on gutvol-d. why go through it all again? and again and again and again? if you don't put this stuff on a wiki, you're just on a merry-go-round... it stifles participation when contributions regularly go down the drain. -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] Comments & Questions About Book Illustrations
by Jacqulyn Perry 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

Thanks! These are only a few of the re-worked images I have. I still have some left to do, and I need to put all of the re-worked ones in a file to send off after that. Yeah, that's one of the things I'm concerned about, because I don't have the actual book so I can compare to the printed images. So as long as someone who DOES have access to the books can check my work and as long as I'm VERY conservative about what I do to the images-and how much-then we should be golden. Couple of other things... I'm teaching this week at our local art center-kids summer arts program-and wont have much time this coming week, as well as my own projects and job hunting. The other thing is, that I need to educate myself about computer imaging programs ect, because until I did a web search, I had no idea WHAT PNG is, or that computers are capable of 'true color'. I need to talk to my son-in-law and ask him how to go about finding out what my computer and monitor are capable of. So obviously I have some homework ahead of me. Leigh Bowerbird(a)aol.com wrote: leigh- > It WORKED!!! yes it did, and they look nice. (except it seems you skipped over plate05.) i'll compare them to the original, but so far i'd say you did a good job. -bowerbird __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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re: [gutvol-d] Comments & Questions About Book Illustrations
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

andrew said: > By far the easiest way for a new volunteer to contribute to > Project Gutenberg is to sign up at Distributed Proofreaders > (pgdp.net) and help with one page at a time. that might be the "easiest" way for a new volunteer to contribute, but it won't make the best use of the skill-set leigh has to offer... instead, leigh, trot on over to distributed proofreaders and find, in the _forums_ there, the group of people who are focused on handling images, and let them know you'd like to go to work... -bowerbird

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new dvd image
by Aaron Cannon 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all. The new dvd image is available as a torrent. http://snowy.arsc.alaska.edu:6969 . My email is once again doing strange things, so I seem to only be able to send, but not receive. However, it doesn't seem to be bouncing, so if you sent me something, hopefully I'll get it eventually, but perhaps not. Sincerely Aaron Cannon - -- Skype: cannona MSN/Windows Messenger: cannona(a)hotmail.com (don't send email to the hotmail address.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.959 Comment: Key available from all major key servers. iD8DBQFEsPGlI7J99hVZuJcRAivqAJ41UaZW0AFrqHLRRWxKtVXPJgozRQCg0x51 2X5uERI+EPFoCQ398haa6jw= =eh2z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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DVD: last check
by Greg Newby 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

I have not confirmed this will actually fit on a DVD...that's for tomorrow. The ISO will be done in a few minutes, but you can also browse the DVD online: http://snowy.arsc.alaska.edu/gbn/pgimages/jul06special/index.htm http://snowy.arsc.alaska.edu/gbn/pgimages/jul06special.iso There were good suggestions, and I think I managed to act on all of them. Thanks for all your thoughts on this... -- Greg

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Re: [gutvol-d] re: the only literature people care enough about to steal
by Jon Ingram 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

On 7/6/06, Bowerbird(a)aol.com <Bowerbird(a)aol.com> wrote: > cory doctorow said: > > science fiction is the only literature people > > care enough about to steal on the Internet. > > It's the only literature that regularly shows up, > > scanned and run through optical character recognition > > software and lovingly hand-edited on darknet newsgroups, > > Russian websites, IRC channels and elsewhere. > > you can find the whole article at: > > > http://www.locusmag.com/2006/Issues/07DoctorowCommentary.html An odd article, because the title really has nothing to do with the rest of the text. In a way this is good, because the title is incorrect. There's plenty of non-Science Fiction being 'stolen' on the internet, all the way from technical manuals, scans of magazines (both porn and non-porn), and non-fiction, to literary fiction. It's probably true that SciFi is over-represented, but that's a more subtle and interesting point. -- Jon Ingram

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the long tail, v2006
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

see chris anderson's 2006 take on the long tail: > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.07/longtail.html this article is just _dripping_ with juicy quotes, info, and insight. -bowerbird

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