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Kindle, nook, Sony, iPad, etc. (Michael S. Hart)
by Adair 13 Feb '11

13 Feb '11

Having just had a discussion with an owner/user of Kindle DX; and having purchased one: The + are 1. the DX includes Whispernet at no additional cost, other Kindle versions require an internet subscription of some sort. Of course one does need to be within the range of the wireless network, a map of which one can find at amazon. Amazon will also send your items - but this is at a fee to your Amazon account, which might be easier if you want to send something to a device you control but do not have at hand. 2. the DX (only model of Kindle - I think) has Text to Speech. A very useful feature if you like to listen while doing other vision required tasks. It is still a bit *unfinished* and is listed as an unsupported feature. Some books have this ability, as listed on the book/magazine/newspaper details. 3. The ability to read in bright sunlight is awesome. The - are 1. The DX is B/W :( 2. Others which I am too soon an owner to know if the shortcomings are the device or the user :) hth Adair On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:32 AM, <gutvol-d-request(a)lists.pglaf.org> wrote: > Send gutvol-d mailing list submissions to > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gutvol-d-request(a)lists.pglaf.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gutvol-d-owner(a)lists.pglaf.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gutvol-d digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: awfully quiet -- 2555 chances at redemption (Ricky Wong) > 2. Kindle, nook, Sony, iPad, etc. (Michael S. Hart) > 3. Bookbinders (Bruce Feist) > 4. Re: Bookbinders (Norbert Langkau) > 5. Re: Bookbinders (David Starner) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ricky Wong <rickwong(a)gmail.com> > To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:55:20 -0500 > Subject: [gutvol-d] Re: awfully quiet -- 2555 chances at redemption > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM, <Bowerbird(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> ricky said: >> > I'm also working on a web app. >> > How come you didn't launch it in the past 7 years? >> >> you've walked into the bar at the end of a long bar-fight... >> >> so it's not surprising that you've asked the wrong question. >> >> but hey, welcome to the list! :+) >> >> > Nice to meet you too!! > > >> so, what's your idea for your web-app? >> >> > I'm trying to make books on Gutenberg more social and enriched with > multimedia. People are already doing this to some extend (e.g. > annotation/comment for the Quran - http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page or > the Bible etc.. on Kindle - > https://kindle.amazon.com/most_popular/books_by_public_noters) > > You can see the app here <http://bit.ly/hjGhQi> (Note: It has a video demo > on the right for ebooks on tablets. It's a business venture that I'm trying > to get going, which is a little different than the web app). For example, > you can annotate Art of War <http://bit.ly/gzPRXm> and Alice's Adventures > in Wonderland <http://bit.ly/e9NljS> now. You can click any paragraph to > add text, images, or YouTube video to enrich any book (try pasting a link to > the box). Getting content into the app is easy. You can email it as an > attachment (only html at the moment...) or enter a url into the textbox. > * > * > Why is this useful? > > - Allow readers to connect directly within the relevant parts of the > book. > - Allow teachers/author/moderator/community to track, monitor, > recognize, and reward readers who have made (good) contributions. > > maybe somebody here can help you out... >> > > Please do :-) I think the problem is that I need to get enough readers to > make it worthwhile since 90% people read, 9% modify content, and 1% create > content... What do you guys think? How many people are on this list anyway? > > >> (and if you really wanna know about the bar-fight, ask.) >> > > Is there a short version? :-) What is your app? > > >> >> *** >> >> michael said: >> > "You just go on quoting those regulations, Lt. Saavik." >> >> > "Hours could seem like days, days could seem like weeks." >> >> sorry, dude, i had to use google... >> >> star trek? >> >> really? >> >> raise your hand if you knew michael hart is a trekkie. >> >> i didn't. >> >> i'm not one of those, so i'll have to pass on those references. >> (or, you know, you could explain them in plain english.) >> >> >> > "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning." >> >> but peter pan, and neverland? that i can jump on... >> >> let's let wikipedia explain: >> > The novel explains that the Neverlands >> > are found in the minds of children, and that >> > although each is 'always more or less an island', >> > and they have a family resemblance, >> > they are not the same from one child to the next. >> >> i don't mind being called a child with an imagination. >> >> >> > In Barrie's original tale, >> > Peter led Wendy and her brothers to Neverland by flying >> > 'second to the right, and straight on till morning' >> > for many days, though it is stated in the novel that >> > Peter made up these directions on the spot to impress Wendy, >> > and that they found the island only because >> > it was out looking for them. >> >> this particular neverland has been actively seeking them. >> but they never appeared. >> >> >> > In the 1953 Disney film, Peter Pan, the word >> > 'star' is added to the directions Peter speaks: >> > 'second star to the right, and straight on till morning.' >> >> ooh, gee, michael hart is quoting the _disney_ version, >> and not the public-domain one... that's a curious fact... >> (maybe wikipedia has it wrong; it's possible, you know.) >> >> anyway... >> >> michael is not my real target here. he was never a villain. >> if anything, he provided me some protection against them. >> >> he has needled me, on many occasions, trying to provoke me >> into taking some action, which is what it looks like he's doing >> here again. this borders on "vaporware" charges, but i don't >> think michael is quite that mean-spirited. i could be wrong... >> >> the thing is, whenever i have gotten around to demonstrating >> the proof in the pudding, michael has never responded to it... >> >> so yes, in many senses, he missed the boat. that's his problem. >> i gave him information he could have used. he didn't use it. ok. >> >> but again, he's not my target. >> >> truth be told, most of my targets have killfiled me by now, >> because they were tired of me saying "i told you i was right." >> >> so they don't even know they've been given "one last chance". >> >> doesn't matter anyway, because they would've turned it down. >> they're stupid. proud. and stupidly proud, and proudly stupid. >> and it's absolutely clear they'll continue to be stupid and proud. >> >> so the real test here is for the lurkers, the ones who never >> antagonized me, but never stepped in to protect me either. >> >> i don't have anything against those people. you can't blame >> people for their failure to step into the middle of a bar-fight. >> >> however, they might want a chance to redeem themselves too. >> >> but i also know enough about lurkers to know that they won't >> step up now, either, to take advantage of this last opportunity. >> >> the thing is, now that roger frank is starting to do some stuff >> that has a chance to move this project forward, i am actually >> now challenged to demonstrate the superiority of my method. >> >> it's not a huge challenge, it's puny, but it's still _something_... >> >> and that challenge is motivating me enough to take action, so >> -- since i was gonna mount something anyway -- i decided to >> give the people of this listserve one more chance to collaborate. >> >> so, is anyone going to step up? or not? >> >> -bowerbird >> >> p.s. for those who'd prefer to follow roger's take on things, >> you can catch yourself up-to-date by reading this full thread: >> > http://www.pgdp.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=737285#737285 >> >> or, if you want to cut directly to the chase, you can start here: >> > http://www.pgdp.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=738849#738849 >> >> essentially, his website now has an .rst to .html/.epub converter: >> > http://www.fadedpage.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gutvol-d mailing list >> gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org >> http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d >> >> > > > -- > My [Blog <http://bit.ly/f78b3u>] [Facebook <http://on.fb.me/gXRMh3>] [ > Twitter <http://bit.ly/f4hRpq>] and [LinkedIn <http://linkd.in/g3VevR>] > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Michael S. Hart" <hart(a)pglaf.org> > To: The gutvol-d Mailing List <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 05:28:42 -0800 (PST) > Subject: [gutvol-d] Kindle, nook, Sony, iPad, etc. > > We are putting together a little list of things people wish they > had known before starting with their devices. > > Please let me know of any favorite tricks, battery life stories, > how to download PG eBooks in various ways, display options, etc. > > Any devices. . . . > > > Thanks!!! > > > Michael > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Bruce Feist <brucedfeist(a)gmail.com> > To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:31:02 -0500 > Subject: [gutvol-d] Bookbinders > I'm considering removing the pages from a 1911 book I have in order to scan > them, and then having the book professionally reassembled. Can any of you > suggest a reliable and inexpensive bookbinder to do this? Am I mad to even > consider the idea? > > The book probably doesn't have any particular cash value, but it does have > sentimental value to me. It's called "English for New Americans", and my > grandfather used it when he came to this country around 1930. (The book > itself is from 1911; it was used when he got it.) I'm willing to have it go > through this abuse, but I'd like to have it usable afterward. > > Bruce Feist > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Norbert Langkau" <no.la(a)web.de> > To: "Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion" <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:51:39 +0100 (CET) > Subject: [gutvol-d] Re: Bookbinders > > Hi Bruce,I found the easiest way to dissamble a book by having a bookbinder > do the cutting with the machine they regularly use to bring their sheets in > a rectangular form.And for the re-assembling: here, especially in the cities > with a university (and university library) the cheapest is - the local > prison. I have no idea whether that is done in the US as well, but as they > have to keep the inmates busy and give them an education for the time after > the sentence, quite a few have a bookbinder shop established - and those are > cheap and do a darn good job.Best regards - Norbert-----Ursprüngliche > Nachricht----- > > Von: "Bruce Feist" <brucedfeist(a)gmail.com> > > Gesendet: 12.02.2011 15:31:02 > > An: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > > Betreff: [gutvol-d] Bookbinders > > > > >I'm considering removing the pages from a 1911 book I have in order to > > >scan them, and then having the book professionally reassembled. Can any > > >of you suggest a reliable and inexpensive bookbinder to do this? Am I > > >mad to even consider the idea? > > > > > >The book probably doesn't have any particular cash value, but it does > > >have sentimental value to me. It's called "English for New Americans", > > >and my grandfather used it when he came to this country around 1930. > > >(The book itself is from 1911; it was used when he got it.) I'm willing > > >to have it go through this abuse, but I'd like to have it usable > afterward. > > > > > >Bruce Feist > > >_______________________________________________ > > >gutvol-d mailing list > > >gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > > >http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d > > ___________________________________________________________ > WEB.DE <http://web.de/> DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 €/mtl.! Jetzt mit > gratis Handy-Flat! http://produkte.web.de/go/DSL_Doppel_Flatrate/2 > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Starner <prosfilaes(a)gmail.com> > To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:32:32 -0800 > Subject: [gutvol-d] Re: Bookbinders > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bruce Feist <brucedfeist(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > I'm considering removing the pages from a 1911 book I have in order to > scan > > them, and then having the book professionally reassembled. Can any of > you > > suggest a reliable and inexpensive bookbinder to do this? Am I mad to > even > > consider the idea? > > Why are you scanning it? http://books.google.com/books?id=_pcUAAAAYAAJ > has a copy, http://www.archive.org/details/englishfornewam01covegoog > has a copy derived from a scanning no longer available, and > http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924031755584 is a fresh Archive.org > scan. > > -- > Kie ekzistas vivo, ekzistas espero. > > > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d > >

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Kindle, nook, Sony, iPad, etc.
by Michael S. Hart 13 Feb '11

13 Feb '11

We are putting together a little list of things people wish they had known before starting with their devices. Please let me know of any favorite tricks, battery life stories, how to download PG eBooks in various ways, display options, etc. Any devices. . . . Thanks!!! Michael

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awfully quiet -- 2555 chances at redemption
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 13 Feb '11

13 Feb '11

ok, so i've been on this listserve over 7 years. that's over 2555 days. during that time, i have advised you what to do. you didn't listen. i offered to help you. in return, you attacked me, denigrated me, slandered me... every day, i gave you a new chance at redemption. you blew it... over 2555 chances at redemption... i have written several drafts of yet another post telling you how you missed the boat on what i have been offering you, and i will consolidate all those versions, and post it sometime soon... but i'm here, today, and tomorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that, offering you _still_another_ explicit chance at redemption... i will upload a web-app today. this app will be a collaborative project of this listserve, aiming to instantiate the advice i've offered you for years. every day, based on feedback given on this list, i will improve the program. you must give some kind of feedback -- reviews, requests, whatever -- on the app _every_day_, or the project collapses. each day, we just have to make a little baby step, some kind of improvement moving us forward... it doesn't have to be a giant step, just a baby step. but if we fail to make a step one day, it's all over... we're going to start small, and take small steps. but if we work together, _every_day,_ it won't be long at all before we have something worthwhile. together, we can create something of value. or not. the decision is up to you. this is your last chance at redemption. don't blow it. -bowerbird

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Re: Calibre: Open Source Software for Managing eBook Collections
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 12 Feb '11

12 Feb '11

jim said: > In this case all the epub viewers agree not to display > his generated codes, so in this case it's the viewer-apps > which are agreeing. so maybe this is a case where calibre insists on doing it right, and none of the viewer-apps agree. i don't know. i don't care. this is a problem for the people who support the .epub format, and i'm not one of those idiots. i have no craving for confusion. > The codes are in there, they are just not displaying, so > I'm not sure what is wrong with the epub he is generating. if "the codes are in there", then why would you assume that there is something wrong with the .epub? if the problem is with the display, then the cause might be the viewer-apps... too bad you don't have a reference implementation. sorry. -bowerbird

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Re: awfully quiet -- 2555 chances at redemption
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 12 Feb '11

12 Feb '11

ricky said: > I'm also working on a web app. > How come you didn't launch it in the past 7 years? you've walked into the bar at the end of a long bar-fight... so it's not surprising that you've asked the wrong question. but hey, welcome to the list! :+) so, what's your idea for your web-app? maybe somebody here can help you out... (and if you really wanna know about the bar-fight, ask.) *** michael said: > "You just go on quoting those regulations, Lt. Saavik." > "Hours could seem like days, days could seem like weeks." sorry, dude, i had to use google... star trek? really? raise your hand if you knew michael hart is a trekkie. i didn't. i'm not one of those, so i'll have to pass on those references. (or, you know, you could explain them in plain english.) > "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning." but peter pan, and neverland? that i can jump on... let's let wikipedia explain: > The novel explains that the Neverlands > are found in the minds of children, and that > although each is 'always more or less an island', > and they have a family resemblance, > they are not the same from one child to the next. i don't mind being called a child with an imagination. > In Barrie's original tale, > Peter led Wendy and her brothers to Neverland by flying > 'second to the right, and straight on till morning' > for many days, though it is stated in the novel that > Peter made up these directions on the spot to impress Wendy, > and that they found the island only because > it was out looking for them. this particular neverland has been actively seeking them. but they never appeared. > In the 1953 Disney film, Peter Pan, the word > 'star' is added to the directions Peter speaks: > 'second star to the right, and straight on till morning.' ooh, gee, michael hart is quoting the _disney_ version, and not the public-domain one... that's a curious fact... (maybe wikipedia has it wrong; it's possible, you know.) anyway... michael is not my real target here. he was never a villain. if anything, he provided me some protection against them. he has needled me, on many occasions, trying to provoke me into taking some action, which is what it looks like he's doing here again. this borders on "vaporware" charges, but i don't think michael is quite that mean-spirited. i could be wrong... the thing is, whenever i have gotten around to demonstrating the proof in the pudding, michael has never responded to it... so yes, in many senses, he missed the boat. that's his problem. i gave him information he could have used. he didn't use it. ok. but again, he's not my target. truth be told, most of my targets have killfiled me by now, because they were tired of me saying "i told you i was right." so they don't even know they've been given "one last chance". doesn't matter anyway, because they would've turned it down. they're stupid. proud. and stupidly proud, and proudly stupid. and it's absolutely clear they'll continue to be stupid and proud. so the real test here is for the lurkers, the ones who never antagonized me, but never stepped in to protect me either. i don't have anything against those people. you can't blame people for their failure to step into the middle of a bar-fight. however, they might want a chance to redeem themselves too. but i also know enough about lurkers to know that they won't step up now, either, to take advantage of this last opportunity. the thing is, now that roger frank is starting to do some stuff that has a chance to move this project forward, i am actually now challenged to demonstrate the superiority of my method. it's not a huge challenge, it's puny, but it's still _something_... and that challenge is motivating me enough to take action, so -- since i was gonna mount something anyway -- i decided to give the people of this listserve one more chance to collaborate. so, is anyone going to step up? or not? -bowerbird p.s. for those who'd prefer to follow roger's take on things, you can catch yourself up-to-date by reading this full thread: > http://www.pgdp.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=737285#737285 or, if you want to cut directly to the chase, you can start here: > http://www.pgdp.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=738849#738849 essentially, his website now has an .rst to .html/.epub converter: > http://www.fadedpage.org

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Bookbinders
by Bruce Feist 12 Feb '11

12 Feb '11

I'm considering removing the pages from a 1911 book I have in order to scan them, and then having the book professionally reassembled. Can any of you suggest a reliable and inexpensive bookbinder to do this? Am I mad to even consider the idea? The book probably doesn't have any particular cash value, but it does have sentimental value to me. It's called "English for New Americans", and my grandfather used it when he came to this country around 1930. (The book itself is from 1911; it was used when he got it.) I'm willing to have it go through this abuse, but I'd like to have it usable afterward. Bruce Feist

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Apple iPhone Day, and iPad2 News
by Michael S. Hart 10 Feb '11

10 Feb '11

who knows how many people will head into Verizon today to try to set up their iPhones. . . . However, many might be surprised to find out their new latest iPhone will still only work on AT&T and NOT Verizon. . . . I'm still trying to find out the details, but apparently last Tuesday's upgrade to the latest iPhone OS is not enough, but, I don't have the details yet, perhaps someone else??? In addition, it would appear video conferencing is IN iPad2-- though no mention of just plain cell phone. . .out in April?

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awfully quiet
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 09 Feb '11

09 Feb '11

this list gets _awfully_quiet_ whenever i start dragging out examples that _prove_ my points. -bowerbird

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Re: for those of you who are just "skimming" the posts
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

ok, new files, to my satisfaction, as far as i know... package of files needed to create the .epub: > http://z-m-l.com/go/jjngl/jjngl.zip .epub created by that package: > http://z-m-l.com/go/jjngl/jjngl.epub .mobi generated from the .epub: > http://z-m-l.com/go/jjngl/jjngl.mobi feedback appreciated to move the process... -bowerbird

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Re: for those of you who are just "skimming" the posts
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

i said: > i've just now gotten them to my own satisfaction, > and will be uploading 'em soon; ok, they're up. i reworked the underlying .html/x file, reassembling it into a single file, so i can re-split it later by chapters... here it is, in an early version, if you wanna validate it: > http://z-m-l.com/go/jjngl/jjngl-xx.html here is a zipped version of the entire file package: > http://z-m-l.com/go/jjngl/jjngl.zip here is the .epub which was created by that package: > http://z-m-l.com/go/jjngl/jjngl.epub you must note that, even though this .epub passes its "validity" test, it will _not_ run in epub-viewers which are defective and thus cannot handle chunks any bigger than 300k, chief among these being a.d.e. (that's right, the epub-viewer from _adobe_ itself is pure _crap,_ and adobe is the main technical company in the i.d.p.f., which shows you how ludicrous this is... a huge company like adobe, and they can't even make a viewer-program for .epub that can do the job right. so e-book creators have to pay the price for adobe's incompetence by doing extra work to split up a book.) anyway... here is the .mobi which was created from the .epub: > http://z-m-l.com/go/jjngl/jjngl.mobi ironically, kindle apps handle the file without blinking. i would appreciate any feedback on this .mobi file now. *** once i've split the .html file into tiny bite-sized chunks, so even the anemic adobe viewer-program can handle it, i'll re-upload these files, but in the meantime, you could look at the .mobi file and give me your feedback on that. as far as i can see at this point, it's looking pretty good, but it needs a fresh set of eyes to go over every bit of it. -bowerbird

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