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re: [gutvol-d] congratulations
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 10 Feb '06

10 Feb '06

triple-thanks to the people (and there are several at d.p.) who work as hard as juliet! -bowerbird

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Re: [gutvol-d] congratulations
by Marc D'Hooghe 10 Feb '06

10 Feb '06

Hear hear, Juliet! >----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >Van: Juliet Sutherland [mailto:vze3rknp@verizon.net] >Verzonden: vrijdag, februari 10, 2006 10:27 PM >Aan: 'Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion' >Onderwerp: Re: [gutvol-d] congratulations > >Thank you, Bowerbird! > >The DP volunteers are a wonderful example of how many hands can make >work easier. From the folks who spend fulltime working on DP to the >people who proof their page a day, everyone contributes to making >something that is greater than we could do individually. > >JulietS > >Bowerbird(a)aol.com wrote: > >> congratulations to d.p. on hitting the 8,000-book mark! >> thanks for all the hard work, volunteers! it's appreciated! >> >> -bowerbird > > >_______________________________________________ >gutvol-d mailing list >gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org >http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d > >

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congratulations
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 10 Feb '06

10 Feb '06

congratulations to d.p. on hitting the 8,000-book mark! thanks for all the hard work, volunteers! it's appreciated! -bowerbird

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here's a pure-signal demo
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 09 Feb '06

09 Feb '06

jose menendez has created a "digital reprint" of the "my antonia" scan-set as a .pdf: > http://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Cather/ aside from the facts that he created it using ms-word and delivered it as a pdf, this demo is remarkable in that it _replicates_ the scans but does so with _digital_text_ (which can be copied and searched), and only uses 2 megs instead of the 30+ required by the scanset. in addition, the text is completely clean, with none of the faded or incomplete characters that are all-too-common with the scans... you'll note that -- in order to replicate scans -- it's necessary to retain the original linebreaks, so i once again request that p.g./d.p. do that. it's just a shame to throw meaningful info away. also note that the .pdf file uses _soft_hypens_ in those words that were end-line hyphenated; these soft-hyphens can be eliminated to rejoin the words so that searches are done correctly and so that the text can be reflowed if desired. this demo can be improved by removing the proprietary ms-word from the process, but nonetheless this .pdf indicates a crucial step in the process of "round-tripping", namely to be able to replicate the look of a scan-set. "round-tripping" wasn't jose's objective, but his example is instructive anyway... this fluency of text to morph effortlessly between the frozen state of 20th-century paper-book and the fluidity of the 21st-century electronic-book is exactly what we should strive for in our efforts... i'll be posting more on the topic of "round-tripping" as i do further work expanding on jose's demo, but i wanted to give you a heads-up on it right away... -bowerbird

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!@! -- more pure-tone signal
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 05 Feb '06

05 Feb '06

michael- you might've missed my request from yesterday morning for you to specify what you would like to receive from me -- error reports, sample e-texts, source-code, whatever -- so i'm repeating it again now... i've got an abundance of material of all types, so feel free! -bowerbird

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Related project of interest: Librivox
by Gardner Buchanan 04 Feb '06

04 Feb '06

I happened to hear Hugh McGuire interviewed on CBC Radio One yesterday. He was talking about an interesting project that I hadn't previously known. I though I'd mention it here in case anyone else is interested: http://www.librivox.org/ LibriVox volunteers record chapters of books in the public domain, and then we release the audio files back onto the net (podcast and catalog). Our objective is to make all books in the public domain available, for free, in audio format on the internet. We are a totally volunteer, open source, free content, public domain project. ============================================================ Gardner Buchanan <gbuchana(a)rogers.com> Ottawa, ON FreeBSD: Where you want to go. Today.

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We have a picture of Mohammed in hell
by Marcello Perathoner 04 Feb '06

04 Feb '06

... in the Divine Comedy by Dante, Illustrated by Gustave Doré in Canto XXVIII: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/8789 -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.org

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pure-tone range
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 04 Feb '06

04 Feb '06

michael- our signal-to-noise ratio has deteriorated, so let's elevate this back to pure-tone range, ok? tell me exactly what you would like from me -- in the form of reports, examples, or whatever -- and specify how many of them you'd like, and i'll do my best to provide, or tell you why i can't oblige... :+) -bowerbird

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re: !@!Re: [gutvol-d] blah blah blog
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 04 Feb '06

04 Feb '06

michael said: > First things first. . .before changing ALL files, > let's try changing SOME files, eh? before changing _some_ files, let's try _one_, eh? my z.m.l. version of alice in wonderland has been up for a while now. consider it submitted to p.g. failing that, you could do the minimum necessary, which is to eliminate of one extra carriage return. that's what some of these changes boil down to, a carriage-return added here, or deleted there, brackets put around a footnote, things like that. and i could generate a list of tens of thousands of such changes, involving thousands of e-texts and therefore, probably twice that many files... your whitewashers will tell you their workflows cannot handle a spectrum of changes that vast. at least that is my understanding of the situation, one that indicates that your grasp of it is tenuous. but i enjoy it when someone proves me wrong! :+) so, if i see you are willing to fix that _one_ file, then i can generate _some_ more, if you want... but your people still haven't gotten around to correcting the errors i noted on "a secret garden". (at least i hope they "haven't gotten around to it" yet, because if they did actually act on my report, their performance was dismaying, even abysmal.) and the errors i found on "swiss family robinson" are _still_ there. so it certainly seems to me that your error-correction machine ain't working well. > That's the way to get yourself some volunteers. michael, i don't know how many times i need to say this to you before you finally "get" it -- but i am not _looking_ for any volunteers. i simply don't need any; i'll be happy to do the job myself. (the task is largely automated by now, so the only need for a human is in the quality-control arena, and i'm quite happy to leave that up to end-users.) now, if _you_ want to find some volunteers who will help make _your_ library consistent, then i _might_ be willing to help you out in that regard, but your _first_ task would be to convince yourself that your whitewashers will actually support the drive. > Or, barring that, you are welcome to download ALL > files you can get your hands on, by hook or crook, by hook or crook? they're all available for downloading. > and work on them to your heart's content or form, > and republish them here, or elsewhere. i believe you need to check with your whitewashers before you offer to "republish them here". but yes, republishing elsewhere is precisely what i will do, once i get around to making them all consistent... > As always, you are welcome to address all of the > Whitewashers individually or as a collection, to > make whatever point[s] you wish. i'm "addressing" them by posting to this listserve... whether or not they choose to engage, who cares? as long as i go down on the record, i'm satisfied... > The one thing about volunteers, you have to > SELL them on your ideas. if i ever decide i need volunteers for something, i'll keep that in mind. -bowerbird

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re: !@!Re: [gutvol-d] blah blah blog
by Joshua Hutchinson 04 Feb '06

04 Feb '06

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bowerbird(a)aol.com > and i could generate a list of tens of thousands > of such changes, involving thousands of e-texts > and therefore, probably twice that many files... > That isn't how it works. You can't just generate a list of "fixes" and hand it off to someone else to do the hard work. YOU need to do the work if it is something you feel needs to be done. Take a file, fix all the problems, upload the fixes to PG and the file will get reposted. If you want to include your "list" with the upload, that's fine. It'll will allow some easier double-checking of your work. I doubt you'll ever come close to doing this, since it would be useful work and I've never seen you do any, but that's what the process is. Josh

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