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RE: [gutvol-d] the nature of the visit -- dropping the facades
by Frank van Drogen 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

>===== Original Message From Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> ===== >it's time to call it like it is... > >so i'll give you something to think about over the weekend. > >the nature of the visit, then, is that >i'm doing you a favor by being here... > >i'll repeat, so it sinks in: i'm doing you a favor. Great -- I'll make an efford to appreciate this favor, if you could make an efford to let us experience that favor in a concise manner. Fifty words at a time should be largely sufficient, for somebody as intelligent as you. Frank

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re: [gutvol-d] the nature of the visit -- dropping the facades
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 01 Oct '05

01 Oct '05

you guys are incapable of _thinking_ for a whole weekend, aren't you? you just have to pop off of the top of your head. *** marcello said: > Last time he "went" he was put on moderation. i was put on "moderation", so i left, yes. i came back because some people tried to spin a lie that i had been "banned". if i do leave here now, and people later try to spin a lie that i was "driven away", i'll come back again. you guys aren't talented enough to influence what i do. > That helped. So I guess that's what we'll have to do now. there's no need for that. just come to a consensus that you want me to go, and let me know that decision. but it has to be a _collective_ decision. (as if some of you have any idea what that is.) we've already heard from the loudmouths... if marcello doesn't keep his mouth shut, i will stay here just to spite him alone... *** now, stop discussing this until you've thought about it for two whole days, or i'll take the offer off the table... -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] here's that alice pdf
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

joey said: > And yet, you seem to think that I should let *that* pass, > simply because we're in "a marketplace of truth"? i didn't tell you to let it pass. i didn't mind you setting the record "straight". i don't think you should be banned. speak your mind, joey... what i said then, and will say again, is that you weren't talking about what i was talking about. which is the same thing you have said, that you weren't talking about what i was talking about. so i think we've now reached agreement, again, and everyone on the whole listserve knows that you weren't talking about what i was talking about. so, are we done with this yet? -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] here's that alice pdf
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

aaron said: > It was a severe response where none was called for. she had said something that was untrue, when she thought she was "correcting" me. i'm just supposed to let that pass? what kind of marketplace of truth do you think this is? > By the way, you forgot > the rest of your message. you mean the part where i patiently explained to her just exactly what she got wrong? you mean that part? -bowerbird

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an example of that "indented-lines" report
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

i said: > one of the routines that's in my app > pulls out any lines that have a leading-space on them... > this routine is useful because it shows you _structures_ > that might be of interest, like block-quotes, poems. etc. > so in order to have header-lines and list-items located by > this routine as well, i just put the leading-space on them... i thought some of you -- maybe gardner in particular -- might enjoy viewing sample output (from "alice") of my "indented-lines" routine, so i've appended the report to this post... the top half of the report lists the qualified lines in this format: file-line# --- # of blank lines --- # of leading spaces --- the line file-line# --- # of blank lines --- # of leading spaces --- the line file-line# --- # of blank lines --- # of leading spaces --- the line if the file-line# of the next report-line is 4 or more greater than the file-line# of the previous report-line, a dashed-line is printed. otherwise, report-lines are printed in sequence, without dashed-line. this has the effect of placing adjacent text-lines -- i.e., a "block" -- in a "group" that makes it particularly easy to see block qua block... the bottom half of the report shows the qualifying lines sorted. the report-lines starting with "|=06=|" and "|=10=====|" indicate the text-lines with leading spaces in them, 6 and 10 respectively. outputting them this way makes the number of spaces obvious, and helps you to check that leading spaces were done correctly. perusal of this sorted list shows things like chapter titles and bracketed picture-captions sorting together, which is nice... review of a report like this helps assure that the z.m.l. markup has been applied properly to the file. such a report would also, of course, be useful to a researcher studying poetry, for example. even though the poetry hasn't been "marked up" as poetry per se -- because, hey, such judgments aren't really necessary, are they? -- the plain-text format allows for a very easy extraction of the poems. it contains other stuff as well, but that's not too difficult to clean up. as a final note, to gardner, if all the flaming hasn't driven you away, i will respond to your point about sourceforge next week, but my sense is that -- given a report like this to emulate -- most programmers would find it easier to code this rather elementary routine from scratch than to try to figure out my code (written in basic) to "port" it to their language... i'll have more to say on the matter next week, along more philosophical lines, but i thought i'd bring this practical matter to your attention to chew on too... -bowerbird ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ example of the indented-lines output, for "alice in wonderland"... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ 0001 0bl. 1sp. Alice's Adventures 0002 0bl. 1sp. in Wonderland . . 0005 2bl. 1sp. by Lewis Carroll . 0007 1bl. 1sp. lewis_carroll(a)performancepoetry.com . . 0010 2bl. 1sp. Illustrated by John Tenniel . 0012 1bl. 1sp. john_tenniel(a)performancepoetry.com . . 0015 2bl. 1sp. the z.m.l. edition of 2005/09/21 . 0017 1bl. 1sp. this book is in the public domain! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0023 5bl. 1sp. Table of Contents . . 0026 2bl. 1sp. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland 0027 0bl. 1sp. Table of Contents 0028 0bl. 1sp. frontispiece 0029 0bl. 1sp. Chapter I -- Down the Rabbit-Hole 0030 0bl. 1sp. Chapter II -- The Pool of Tears 0031 0bl. 1sp. Chapter III -- A Caucus-Race and a Long Tale 0032 0bl. 1sp. Chapter IV -- The Rabbit Sends in a Little Bill 0033 0bl. 1sp. Chapter V -- Advice from a Caterpillar 0034 0bl. 1sp. Chapter VI -- Pig and Pepper 0035 0bl. 1sp. Chapter VII -- A Mad Tea-Party 0036 0bl. 1sp. Chapter VIII -- The Queen's Croquet-Ground 0037 0bl. 1sp. Chapter IX -- The Mock Turtle's Story 0038 0bl. 1sp. Chapter X -- The Lobster Quadrille 0039 0bl. 1sp. Chapter XI -- Who Stole the Tarts? 0040 0bl. 1sp. Chapter XII -- Alice's Evidence 0041 0bl. 1sp. Notes 0042 0bl. 1sp. meta-data 0043 0bl. 1sp. table of illustrations (inserted) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0049 5bl. 1sp. frontispiece ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0053 0bl. 1sp. [King and Queen inspecting tart in courtroom.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0059 5bl. 1sp. Chapter I -- Down the Rabbit-Hole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0093 1bl. 1sp. [White Rabbit checking watch.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0212 1bl. 1sp. [Alice finding tiny door behind curtain.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0240 1bl. 1sp. [Alice taking 'Drink me' bottle.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0265 1bl. 0sp. /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ 0266 0bl. 0sp. /tab\/tab\* * * * * */tab\/tab\ 0267 0bl. 0sp. /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0335 1bl. 0sp. /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ 0336 0bl. 0sp. /tab\/tab\* * * * * */tab\/tab\ 0337 0bl. 0sp. /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0343 5bl. 1sp. Chapter II -- The Pool of Tears ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0362 1bl. 1sp. [Alice stretched tall.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0370 1bl. 6sp. Alice's Right Foot, Esq. 0371 0bl. 10sp. Hearthrug, 0372 0bl. 14sp. Near the Fender, 0373 0bl. 18sp. (With Alice's Love). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0411 1bl. 1sp. [Giant Alice watching Rabbit run away.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0447 1bl. 6sp. 'How doth the little crocodile 0448 0bl. 10sp. Improve his shining tail, 0449 0bl. 6sp. And pour the waters of the Nile 0450 0bl. 10sp. On every golden scale! . 0452 1bl. 6sp. 'How cheerfully he seems to grin, 0453 0bl. 10sp. How neatly spread his claws, 0454 0bl. 6sp. And welcome little fishes in 0455 0bl. 10sp. With gently smiling jaws!' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0511 1bl. 1sp. [Alice swimming in the pool of tears.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0598 1bl. 1sp. [Alice and the Mouse swimming in the pool of tears.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0621 5bl. 1sp. Chapter III -- A Caucus-Race and a Long Tale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0769 1bl. 1sp. [Dodo presenting thimble to Alice.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0793 1bl. 1sp. [Mouse telling story to birds and Alice.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0801 1bl. 16sp. 'Fury said to a 0802 0bl. 14sp. mouse, That he 0803 0bl. 12sp. met in the 0804 0bl. 10sp. house, 0805 0bl. 9sp. "Let us 0806 0bl. 10sp. both go to 0807 0bl. 12sp. law: _I_ will 0808 0bl. 14sp. prosecute 0809 0bl. 16sp. _you._ -- Come, 0810 0bl. 18sp. I'll take no 0811 0bl. 20sp. denial; We 0812 0bl. 18sp. must have a 0813 0bl. 16sp. trial: For 0814 0bl. 14sp. really this 0815 0bl. 12sp. morning I've 0816 0bl. 10sp. nothing 0817 0bl. 10sp. to do." 0818 0bl. 10sp. Said the 0819 0bl. 12sp. mouse to the 0820 0bl. 14sp. cur, "Such 0821 0bl. 16sp. a trial, 0822 0bl. 18sp. dear Sir, 0823 0bl. 20sp. With 0824 0bl. 18sp. no jury 0825 0bl. 16sp. or judge, 0826 0bl. 14sp. would be 0827 0bl. 12sp. wasting 0828 0bl. 12sp. our 0829 0bl. 12sp. breath." 0830 0bl. 13sp. "I'll be 0831 0bl. 14sp. judge, I'll 0832 0bl. 14sp. be jury," 0833 0bl. 16sp. Said 0834 0bl. 16sp. cunning 0835 0bl. 18sp. old Fury: 0836 0bl. 19sp. "I'll 0837 0bl. 18sp. try the 0838 0bl. 20sp. whole 0839 0bl. 20sp. cause, 0840 0bl. 22sp. and 0841 0bl. 20sp. condemn 0842 0bl. 18sp. you 0843 0bl. 18sp. to 0844 0bl. 18sp. death."' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 0921 5bl. 1sp. Chapter IV -- The Rabbit Sends in a Little Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1013 1bl. 1sp. [Alice cramped in Rabbit's house.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1070 1bl. 1sp. [Alice's hand grabbing at Rabbit.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1139 1bl. 1sp. [Bill flying out of the chimney.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1210 1bl. 1sp. [Dog looking at tiny Alice.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1277 5bl. 1sp. Chapter V -- Advice from a Caterpillar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1287 1bl. 1sp. [Alice meets the Caterpillar.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1377 1bl. 6sp. 'You are old, Father William,' the young man said, 1378 0bl. 10sp. 'And your hair has become very white; 1379 0bl. 6sp. And yet you incessantly stand on your head -- 1380 0bl. 10sp. Do you think, at your age, it is right?' . 1382 1bl. 6sp. 'In my youth,' Father William replied to his son, 1383 0bl. 10sp. 'I feared it might injure the brain; 1384 0bl. 6sp. But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none, 1385 0bl. 10sp. Why, I do it again and again.' . 1387 1bl. 1sp. [Father William standing on head.] . 1389 1bl. 6sp. 'You are old,' said the youth, 'as I mentioned before, 1390 0bl. 10sp. And have grown most uncommonly fat; 1391 0bl. 6sp. Yet you turned a back-somersault in at the door -- 1392 0bl. 10sp. Pray, what is the reason of that?' . 1394 1bl. 6sp. 'In my youth,' said the sage, as he shook his grey locks, 1395 0bl. 10sp. 'I kept all my limbs very supple 1396 0bl. 6sp. By the use of this ointment -- one shilling the box -- 1397 0bl. 10sp. Allow me to sell you a couple?' . 1399 1bl. 1sp. [Father William somersaulting in the door.] . 1401 1bl. 6sp. 'You are old,' said the youth, 'and your jaws are too weak 1402 0bl. 10sp. For anything tougher than suet; 1403 0bl. 6sp. Yet you finished the goose, with the bones and the beak -- 1404 0bl. 10sp. Pray how did you manage to do it?' . 1406 1bl. 6sp. 'In my youth,' said his father, 'I took to the law, 1407 0bl. 10sp. And argued each case with my wife; 1408 0bl. 6sp. And the muscular strength, which it gave to my jaw, 1409 0bl. 10sp. Has lasted the rest of my life.' . 1411 1bl. 1sp. [Father William having eaten the goose.] . 1413 1bl. 6sp. 'You are old,' said the youth, 'one would hardly suppose 1414 0bl. 10sp. That your eye was as steady as ever; 1415 0bl. 6sp. Yet you balanced an eel on the end of your nose -- 1416 0bl. 10sp. What made you so awfully clever?' . 1418 1bl. 6sp. 'I have answered three questions, and that is enough,' 1419 0bl. 10sp. Said his father; 'don't give yourself airs! 1420 0bl. 6sp. Do you think I can listen all day to such stuff? 1421 0bl. 10sp. Be off, or I'll kick you down stairs!' . 1423 1bl. 1sp. [Father William balancing eel on nose.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1504 1bl. 0sp. /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ 1505 0bl. 0sp. /tab\/tab\* * * * * */tab\/tab\ 1506 0bl. 0sp. /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1643 5bl. 1sp. Chapter VI -- Pig and Pepper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1660 1bl. 1sp. [Fish and Frog servants.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1760 1bl. 1sp. [Cook, Duchess, Cheshire Cat, Baby, and Alice.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1832 1bl. 6sp. 'Speak roughly to your little boy, 1833 0bl. 10sp. And beat him when he sneezes: 1834 0bl. 6sp. He only does it to annoy, 1835 0bl. 10sp. Because he knows it teases.' 1836 0bl. 6sp. _Chorus._ 1837 0bl. 1sp. (In which the cook and the baby joined): -- 1838 0bl. 6sp. 'Wow! wow! wow!' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1845 1bl. 6sp. 'I speak severely to my boy, 1846 0bl. 10sp. I beat him when he sneezes; 1847 0bl. 6sp. For he can thoroughly enjoy 1848 0bl. 10sp. The pepper when he pleases!' 1849 0bl. 10sp. _Chorus._ 1850 0bl. 6sp. 'Wow! wow! wow!' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1892 1bl. 1sp. [Alice holding the pig baby.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 1933 1bl. 1sp. [Alice speaks to the Cheshire Cat.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2028 1bl. 1sp. [The Cheshire Cat fades to a smile.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2050 5bl. 1sp. Chapter VII -- A Mad Tea-Party ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2062 1bl. 1sp. [The Mad Tea Party.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2120 1bl. 1sp. [The Hatter engaging in rhetoric.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2246 1bl. 6sp. "Twinkle, twinkle, little bat! 2247 0bl. 6sp. How I wonder what you're at!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2256 1bl. 6sp. "Up above the world you fly, 2257 0bl. 6sp. Like a tea-tray in the sky. 2258 0bl. 10sp. Twinkle, twinkle --"' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2442 1bl. 1sp. [The Hatter and the Hare dunk the Dormouse.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2471 5bl. 1sp. Chapter VIII -- The Queen's Croquet-Ground ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2483 1bl. 1sp. [Two, Five, and Seven painting the rosebush.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2582 1bl. 1sp. [The Queen pointing to Alice: 'Off with her head!'] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2692 1bl. 1sp. [Alice trying to play croquet with flamingo and hedgehog.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2834 1bl. 1sp. [Executioner argues about cutting off Cheshire Cat's head.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2861 5bl. 1sp. Chapter IX -- The Mock Turtle's Story ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 2932 1bl. 1sp. [Alice (with flamingo) chats with the Duchess.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3053 1bl. 1sp. [Gryphon asleep.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3256 5bl. 1sp. Chapter X -- The Lobster Quadrille ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3338 1bl. 1sp. [Mock Turtle and Gryphon singing to Alice.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3346 1bl. 6sp. ' "Will you walk a little faster?" said a whiting to a snail. 3347 0bl. 6sp. "There's a porpoise close behind us, and he's treading on my tail. 3348 0bl. 6sp. See how eagerly the lobsters and the turtles all advance! 3349 0bl. 6sp. They are waiting on the shingle -- will you come and join the dance? . 3351 1bl. 10sp. Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, will you join the dance? 3352 0bl. 10sp. Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, won't you join the dance? . 3354 1bl. 6sp. ' "You can really have no notion how delightful it will be 3355 0bl. 6sp. When they take us up and throw us, with the lobsters, out to sea!" 3356 0bl. 6sp. But the snail replied "Too far, too far!" and gave a look askance -- 3357 0bl. 6sp. Said he thanked the whiting kindly, but he would not join the dance. . 3359 1bl. 10sp. Would not, could not, would not, could not, would not join the dance. 3360 0bl. 10sp. Would not, could not, would not, could not, could not join the dance. . 3362 1bl. 6sp. ' "What matters it how far we go?" his scaly friend replied. 3363 0bl. 6sp. "There is another shore, you know, upon the other side. 3364 0bl. 6sp. The further off from England the nearer is to France -- 3365 0bl. 6sp. Then turn not pale, beloved snail, but come and join the dance. . 3367 1bl. 10sp. Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, will you join the dance? 3368 0bl. 10sp. Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, won't you join the dance?"' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3374 0bl. 4sp. 3375 0bl. 1sp. [Mock Turtle and Gryphon demonstrating Lobster Quadrille.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3501 1bl. 1sp. [Lobster primping before a mirror.] . 3503 1bl. 6sp. ''Tis the voice of the Lobster; I heard him declare, 3504 0bl. 6sp. "You have baked me too brown, I must sugar my hair." 3505 0bl. 6sp. As a duck with its eyelids, so he with his nose 3506 0bl. 6sp. Trims his belt and his buttons, and turns out his toes.'[1] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3540 1bl. 6sp. 'I passed by his garden, and marked, with one eye, 3541 0bl. 6sp. How the Owl and the Panther were sharing a pie --'[2] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3564 1bl. 6sp. 'Beautiful Soup, so rich and green, 3565 0bl. 6sp. Waiting in a hot tureen! 3566 0bl. 6sp. Who for such dainties would not stoop? 3567 0bl. 6sp. Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup! 3568 0bl. 6sp. Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup! 3569 0bl. 10sp. Beau--ootiful Soo--oop! 3570 0bl. 10sp. Beau--ootiful Soo--oop! 3571 0bl. 6sp. Soo--oop of the e--e--evening, 3572 0bl. 10sp. Beautiful, beautiful Soup! . 3574 1bl. 6sp. 'Beautiful Soup! Who cares for fish, 3575 0bl. 6sp. Game, or any other dish? 3576 0bl. 6sp. Who would not give all else for two 3577 0bl. 6sp. Pennyworth only of beautiful Soup? 3578 0bl. 6sp. Pennyworth only of beautiful Soup? 3579 0bl. 10sp. Beau--ootiful Soo--oop! 3580 0bl. 10sp. Beau--ootiful Soo--oop! 3581 0bl. 6sp. Soo--oop of the e--e--evening, 3582 0bl. 10sp. Beautiful, beauti--FUL SOUP!' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3598 1bl. 6sp. 'Soo--oop of the e--e--evening, 3599 0bl. 10sp. Beautiful, beautiful Soup!' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3605 5bl. 1sp. Chapter XI -- Who Stole the Tarts? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3624 1bl. 1sp. [White Rabbit, dressed as herald, blowing trumpet.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3689 1bl. 6sp. 'The Queen of Hearts, she made some tarts, 3690 0bl. 10sp. All on a summer day: 3691 0bl. 6sp. The Knave of Hearts, he stole those tarts, 3692 0bl. 10sp. And took them quite away!' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3709 1bl. 1sp. [Mad Hatter arrives hastily in court to testify.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3872 1bl. 1sp. [...and just as hastily leaves.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3932 5bl. 1sp. Chapter XII -- Alice's Evidence ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 3944 1bl. 1sp. [Giant Alice upsets the jury (literally).] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 4003 1bl. 1sp. [King reflecting in court.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 4090 1bl. 6sp. 'They told me you had been to her, 4091 0bl. 10sp. And mentioned me to him: 4092 0bl. 6sp. She gave me a good character, 4093 0bl. 10sp. But said I could not swim. . 4095 1bl. 6sp. He sent them word I had not gone 4096 0bl. 10sp. (We know it to be true): 4097 0bl. 6sp. If she should push the matter on, 4098 0bl. 10sp. What would become of you? . 4100 1bl. 6sp. I gave her one, they gave him two, 4101 0bl. 10sp. You gave us three or more; 4102 0bl. 6sp. They all returned from him to you, 4103 0bl. 10sp. Though they were mine before. . 4105 1bl. 6sp. If I or she should chance to be 4106 0bl. 10sp. Involved in this affair, 4107 0bl. 6sp. He trusts to you to set them free, 4108 0bl. 10sp. Exactly as we were. . 4110 1bl. 6sp. My notion was that you had been 4111 0bl. 10sp. (Before she had this fit) 4112 0bl. 6sp. An obstacle that came between 4113 0bl. 10sp. Him, and ourselves, and it. . 4115 1bl. 6sp. Don't let him know she liked them best, 4116 0bl. 10sp. For this must ever be 4117 0bl. 6sp. A secret, kept from all the rest, 4118 0bl. 10sp. Between yourself and me.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 4163 1bl. 1sp. [King and Queen inspecting tart in courtroom.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 4198 1bl. 1sp. [Alice saying: 'You're nothing but a pack of cards!'] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 4279 1bl. 0sp. /tab\/tab\-*-/tab\/tab\ . 4281 1bl. 0sp. /tab\/tab\The End/tab\/tab\ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 4287 5bl. 1sp. Notes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 4292 1bl. 6sp. 'When the sands are all dry, he is gay as a lark, 4293 0bl. 6sp. And will talk in contemptuous tones of the Shark, 4294 0bl. 6sp. But, when the tide rises and sharks are around, 4295 0bl. 6sp. His voice has a timid and tremulous sound.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 4300 1bl. 6sp. 'The Panther took pie-crust, and gravy, and meat, 4301 0bl. 6sp. While the Owl had the dish as its share of the treat. 4302 0bl. 6sp. When the pie was all finished, the Owl, as a boon, 4303 0bl. 6sp. Was kindly permitted to pocket the spoon: 4304 0bl. 6sp. While the Panther received knife and fork with a growl, 4305 0bl. 6sp. And concluded the banquet --' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 4311 5bl. 1sp. meta-data . . 4314 2bl. 1sp. title: alice's adventures in wonderland 4315 0bl. 1sp. author: lewis carroll 4316 0bl. 1sp. library: project gutenberg 4317 0bl. 1sp. website: http://www.gutenberg.org 4318 0bl. 1sp. date: january, 1991 (ebook #11) 4319 0bl. 1sp. encoding: us-ascii ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- 4325 5bl. 1sp. table of illustrations (inserted) . . 4328 2bl. 1sp. ((this is a set of links that is generated automatically.)) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and With cause, condemn denial; We whole "I'll (With Alice's Love). I'll take no dear Sir, death."' must have a no jury old Fury: to try the you 'Fury said to a Said _you._ -- Come, a trial, cunning or judge, trial: For Near the Fender, be jury," cur, "Such judge, I'll mouse, That he prosecute really this would be "I'll be breath." law: _I_ will met in the morning I've mouse to the our wasting Said the both go to house, nothing to do." "Let us ((this is a set of links that is generated automatically.)) (In which the cook and the baby joined): -- Alice's Adventures Alice's Adventures in Wonderland Chapter I -- Down the Rabbit-Hole Chapter I -- Down the Rabbit-Hole Chapter II -- The Pool of Tears Chapter II -- The Pool of Tears Chapter III -- A Caucus-Race and a Long Tale Chapter III -- A Caucus-Race and a Long Tale Chapter IV -- The Rabbit Sends in a Little Bill Chapter IV -- The Rabbit Sends in a Little Bill Chapter IX -- The Mock Turtle's Story Chapter IX -- The Mock Turtle's Story Chapter V -- Advice from a Caterpillar Chapter V -- Advice from a Caterpillar Chapter VI -- Pig and Pepper Chapter VI -- Pig and Pepper Chapter VII -- A Mad Tea-Party Chapter VII -- A Mad Tea-Party Chapter VIII -- The Queen's Croquet-Ground Chapter VIII -- The Queen's Croquet-Ground Chapter X -- The Lobster Quadrille Chapter X -- The Lobster Quadrille Chapter XI -- Who Stole the Tarts? Chapter XI -- Who Stole the Tarts? Chapter XII -- Alice's Evidence Chapter XII -- Alice's Evidence Illustrated by John Tenniel Notes Notes Table of Contents Table of Contents [...and just as hastily leaves.] [Alice (with flamingo) chats with the Duchess.] [Alice and the Mouse swimming in the pool of tears.] [Alice cramped in Rabbit's house.] [Alice finding tiny door behind curtain.] [Alice holding the pig baby.] [Alice meets the Caterpillar.] [Alice saying: 'You're nothing but a pack of cards!'] [Alice speaks to the Cheshire Cat.] [Alice stretched tall.] [Alice swimming in the pool of tears.] [Alice taking 'Drink me' bottle.] [Alice trying to play croquet with flamingo and hedgehog.] [Alice's hand grabbing at Rabbit.] [Bill flying out of the chimney.] [Cook, Duchess, Cheshire Cat, Baby, and Alice.] [Dodo presenting thimble to Alice.] [Dog looking at tiny Alice.] [Executioner argues about cutting off Cheshire Cat's head.] [Father William balancing eel on nose.] [Father William having eaten the goose.] [Father William somersaulting in the door.] [Father William standing on head.] [Fish and Frog servants.] [Giant Alice upsets the jury (literally).] [Giant Alice watching Rabbit run away.] [Gryphon asleep.] [King and Queen inspecting tart in courtroom.] [King and Queen inspecting tart in courtroom.] [King reflecting in court.] [Lobster primping before a mirror.] [Mad Hatter arrives hastily in court to testify.] [Mock Turtle and Gryphon demonstrating Lobster Quadrille.] [Mock Turtle and Gryphon singing to Alice.] [Mouse telling story to birds and Alice.] [The Cheshire Cat fades to a smile.] [The Hatter and the Hare dunk the Dormouse.] [The Hatter engaging in rhetoric.] [The Mad Tea Party.] [The Queen pointing to Alice: 'Off with her head!'] [Two, Five, and Seven painting the rosebush.] [White Rabbit checking watch.] [White Rabbit, dressed as herald, blowing trumpet.] author: lewis carroll by Lewis Carroll date: january, 1991 (ebook #11) encoding: us-ascii frontispiece frontispiece in Wonderland john_tenniel(a)performancepoetry.com lewis_carroll(a)performancepoetry.com library: project gutenberg meta-data meta-data table of illustrations (inserted) table of illustrations (inserted) the z.m.l. edition of 2005/09/21 this book is in the public domain! title: alice's adventures in wonderland website: http://www.gutenberg.org /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ /tab\/tab\* * * * * * */tab\/tab\ /tab\/tab\* * * * * */tab\/tab\ /tab\/tab\* * * * * */tab\/tab\ /tab\/tab\* * * * * */tab\/tab\ /tab\/tab\-*-/tab\/tab\ /tab\/tab\The End/tab\/tab\ |=06=|"There is another shore, you know, upon the other side. |=06=|"There's a porpoise close behind us, and he's treading on my tail. |=06=|"Twinkle, twinkle, little bat! |=06=|"Up above the world you fly, |=06=|"You have baked me too brown, I must sugar my hair." |=06=|' "What matters it how far we go?" his scaly friend replied. |=06=|' "Will you walk a little faster?" said a whiting to a snail. |=06=|' "You can really have no notion how delightful it will be |=06=|''Tis the voice of the Lobster; I heard him declare, |=06=|'Beautiful Soup! Who cares for fish, |=06=|'Beautiful Soup, so rich and green, |=06=|'How cheerfully he seems to grin, |=06=|'How doth the little crocodile |=06=|'I have answered three questions, and that is enough,' |=06=|'I passed by his garden, and marked, with one eye, |=06=|'I speak severely to my boy, |=06=|'In my youth,' Father William replied to his son, |=06=|'In my youth,' said his father, 'I took to the law, |=06=|'In my youth,' said the sage, as he shook his grey locks, |=06=|'Soo--oop of the e--e--evening, |=06=|'Speak roughly to your little boy, |=06=|'The Panther took pie-crust, and gravy, and meat, |=06=|'The Queen of Hearts, she made some tarts, |=06=|'They told me you had been to her, |=06=|'When the sands are all dry, he is gay as a lark, |=06=|'Wow! wow! wow!' |=06=|'Wow! wow! wow!' |=06=|'You are old, Father William,' the young man said, |=06=|'You are old,' said the youth, 'and your jaws are too weak |=06=|'You are old,' said the youth, 'as I mentioned before, |=06=|'You are old,' said the youth, 'one would hardly suppose |=06=|A secret, kept from all the rest, |=06=|Alice's Right Foot, Esq. |=06=|An obstacle that came between |=06=|And concluded the banquet --' |=06=|And pour the waters of the Nile |=06=|And the muscular strength, which it gave to my jaw, |=06=|And welcome little fishes in |=06=|And will talk in contemptuous tones of the Shark, |=06=|And yet you incessantly stand on your head -- |=06=|As a duck with its eyelids, so he with his nose |=06=|But the snail replied "Too far, too far!" and gave a look askance -- |=06=|But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none, |=06=|But, when the tide rises and sharks are around, |=06=|By the use of this ointment -- one shilling the box -- |=06=|Do you think I can listen all day to such stuff? |=06=|Don't let him know she liked them best, |=06=|For he can thoroughly enjoy |=06=|Game, or any other dish? |=06=|He only does it to annoy, |=06=|He sent them word I had not gone |=06=|He trusts to you to set them free, |=06=|His voice has a timid and tremulous sound.' |=06=|How I wonder what you're at!" |=06=|How the Owl and the Panther were sharing a pie --'[2] |=06=|I gave her one, they gave him two, |=06=|If I or she should chance to be |=06=|If she should push the matter on, |=06=|Like a tea-tray in the sky. |=06=|My notion was that you had been |=06=|Pennyworth only of beautiful Soup? |=06=|Pennyworth only of beautiful Soup? |=06=|Said he thanked the whiting kindly, but he would not join the dance. |=06=|See how eagerly the lobsters and the turtles all advance! |=06=|She gave me a good character, |=06=|Soo--oop of the e--e--evening, |=06=|Soo--oop of the e--e--evening, |=06=|Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup! |=06=|Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup! |=06=|The Knave of Hearts, he stole those tarts, |=06=|The further off from England the nearer is to France -- |=06=|Then turn not pale, beloved snail, but come and join the dance. |=06=|They all returned from him to you, |=06=|They are waiting on the shingle -- will you come and join the dance? |=06=|Trims his belt and his buttons, and turns out his toes.'[1] |=06=|Waiting in a hot tureen! |=06=|Was kindly permitted to pocket the spoon: |=06=|When the pie was all finished, the Owl, as a boon, |=06=|When they take us up and throw us, with the lobsters, out to sea!" |=06=|While the Owl had the dish as its share of the treat. |=06=|While the Panther received knife and fork with a growl, |=06=|Who for such dainties would not stoop? |=06=|Who would not give all else for two |=06=|Yet you balanced an eel on the end of your nose -- |=06=|Yet you finished the goose, with the bones and the beak -- |=06=|Yet you turned a back-somersault in at the door -- |=06=|_Chorus._ |=10=====|'And your hair has become very white; |=10=====|'I feared it might injure the brain; |=10=====|'I kept all my limbs very supple |=10=====|(Before she had this fit) |=10=====|(We know it to be true): |=10=====|All on a summer day: |=10=====|Allow me to sell you a couple?' |=10=====|And argued each case with my wife; |=10=====|And beat him when he sneezes: |=10=====|And have grown most uncommonly fat; |=10=====|And mentioned me to him: |=10=====|And took them quite away!' |=10=====|Be off, or I'll kick you down stairs!' |=10=====|Beau--ootiful Soo--oop! |=10=====|Beau--ootiful Soo--oop! |=10=====|Beau--ootiful Soo--oop! |=10=====|Beau--ootiful Soo--oop! |=10=====|Beautiful, beauti--FUL SOUP!' |=10=====|Beautiful, beautiful Soup! |=10=====|Beautiful, beautiful Soup!' |=10=====|Because he knows it teases.' |=10=====|Between yourself and me.' |=10=====|But said I could not swim. |=10=====|Do you think, at your age, it is right?' |=10=====|Exactly as we were. |=10=====|For anything tougher than suet; |=10=====|For this must ever be |=10=====|Has lasted the rest of my life.' |=10=====|Hearthrug, |=10=====|Him, and ourselves, and it. |=10=====|How neatly spread his claws, |=10=====|I beat him when he sneezes; |=10=====|Improve his shining tail, |=10=====|Involved in this affair, |=10=====|On every golden scale! |=10=====|Pray how did you manage to do it?' |=10=====|Pray, what is the reason of that?' |=10=====|Said his father; 'don't give yourself airs! |=10=====|That your eye was as steady as ever; |=10=====|The pepper when he pleases!' |=10=====|Though they were mine before. |=10=====|Twinkle, twinkle --"' |=10=====|What made you so awfully clever?' |=10=====|What would become of you? |=10=====|Why, I do it again and again.' |=10=====|Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, will you join the dance? |=10=====|Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, will you join the dance? |=10=====|Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, won't you join the dance? |=10=====|Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, won't you join the dance?"' |=10=====|With gently smiling jaws!' |=10=====|Would not, could not, would not, could not, could not join the dance. |=10=====|Would not, could not, would not, could not, would not join the dance. |=10=====|You gave us three or more; |=10=====|_Chorus._

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re: [gutvol-d] That bird guy
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

anne said: > I had 60-odd new posts, a few of them personal or spam; > but somewhere between a third and a half of them were > to, from, and/or about that bird guy. > iBastante! iCallate! and so you jump in with one of your own. ironic, eh? and now your one has a reply, making it two. even more ironic, eh? -bowerbird

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Re: [gutvol-d] on the issue of hand-crafted versus computer-generated .html versions
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

aaron said: > Anyone who has followed these posts > and who has a sliver of intelligence > can plainly see that having > a conversation with you is pointless. i won't mind if you stop. i promise. i'll be glad. so gather up your sliver and act appropriately... -bowerbird

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Re: [gutvol-d] That bird guy
by Joshua Hutchinson 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Cannon" <cannona(a)fireantproductions.com> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > If however, the persons with the final decision making capabilities are not > willing to take the step of banning him, then perhaps we should form a > list-wide consensus not to respond to him, and ask new comers to do the > same. I realize that we've attempted this in the past, but perhaps if we > formalize it by a vote, written agreement, or other means, then we might be > able to make it stick more effectively. > > Thoughts? > You're right ... and I apologize for responding to him. For a long time, I ignored him, but his assault on someone that did not deserve it and who had actually defending him on occasion, fired me up. I should not have risen to the bait and I apologize for the high noise/signal ratio my temper helped create. I'll go back to completely ignoring BB (while strongly urging the banning that many seem to advocate). Back to your regularly scheduled PG discussions... Josh

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signing off
by Branko Collin 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

Hey guys, have fun with your Bowerturd Appreciation Society. I thought this list was about discussing things that have to do with Project Gutenberg, but I guess I was wrong. ciao, -- branko collin collin(a)xs4all.nl

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Re: [gutvol-d] signing off
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

In a message dated 9/30/2005 11:21:03 AM Mountain Daylight Time, collin(a)xs4all.nl writes: >Hey guys, have fun with your Bowerturd Appreciation Society. I >thought this list was about discussing things that have to do with >Project Gutenberg, but I guess I was wrong. Please come back. I just posted this: I just got through reading my email on this screen name. Yesterday, after leaving it unread for about three weeks due to the fact that I was busy writing/rewriting/rewriting a book, I came here and read and/or deleted all of it. Today I had 60-odd new posts, a few of them personal or spam; but somewhere between a third and a half of them were to, from, and/or about that bird guy. iBastante! iCallate! (If you're not up on your street Spanish, that means Enough! Shut up! Having recently purchased three books of Street Spanish for the book I was writing I could be much ruder, but I don't want to get bleeped.) Don't we have better things to talk about, like what is the square root of -1 and why do we have to use numbers that don't exist in order to do math? Why couldn't we just stop after plane geometry? I have never in my life needed anything beyond eighth- grade math, except for a little plane geometry such as convincing my former husband that the third side of a triangle is always shorter than the sum of the other two sides provided the road is good. (I mention this only because of Professor Smarandache, who is kindly allowing us to post his books which, I gather from looking at his Website, would give Einstein a headache.) Anne Do you like to breathe? Then save the trees! Begin a personal relationship with an ebook TODAY!

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