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I'm sorry but I don't get it...
by John Hagerson 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

Please picture this scenario: I'm a volunteer who has scanned a public-domain book and wants to make it available through the PG distribution mechanism (free of charge, available until the Internet collapses under the weight of spam and next-generation pornography, yadda, yadda, yadda). Today, if I can convert this book to plain text (according to some stated formatting conventions), I may submit the book. If I'm ambitious, I can create an HTML version, which presents the same information, but allows "real" formatting rather than _italic_ and *bold*. In the background, however, there is this Whole New World(tm) of semantic tagging, which presumably will allow the book to make snacks and provide entertainment during the reading process. But, for me, as a volunteer, who spends a considerable amount of time working on books, but enjoys actually finishing one and seeing it posted, I can't get my arms around the benefits. Except for recognizing the acronyms, I am agnostic to XML/ZML/TEI/ABC/EIEIO. Could someone please explain the benefit of semantic tagging and why it won't horribly lengthen the amount of time required to produce an eBook? Thank you.

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re: [gutvol-d] Re: Extra spaces in html files
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

karl said: > If you are interested in good HTML or PDF > you must start with a sematically tagged file > (these days that's mostly an XML file). can you give and defend your definition of "good" in this case? ditto with "semantically tagged file"? and, if you are up to the challenge, what is your recommendation as to the route that should be taken to get a library of 14,000+ e-texts converted to the brand of x.m.l. markup you think is best? (bonus points if you can convince all the other x.m.l. advocates that the markup version you prefer is better than the ones they prefer.) finally, greg recently requested that people come forward with working routines to implement an x.m.l.-master methodology. are you able to answer that call? did you? if so, do let us know. -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] Don't feed the troll ! [Was: Extra spaces in html files]
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

i have a question for the person tending this listserve: is this kind of name-calling condoned on this listserve? -bowerbird

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Extra spaces in html files
by Andrew Sly 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

Dear fellow PG volunteers, I know that discussing issues of markup in PG files is a pointless argument that rarely goes anywhere. Still, I must ask if is it generally acceptable to most PG volunteers to have HTML files in the collection with massive amounts of redundant white space in them? By this point in time, there are megabytes of storage space in the PG archive which consist of only spaces because of much indentation in html files. Take a look at the html source of the recently released Edward Lear "A Book of Nonsense" to see an example a little more extreme than most I've seen: http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/13646 Andrew

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St. Nicholas Magazines
by Norm Wolcott 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

I have about 10 years of annuals of St. Nicholas Magazine rescued from a dumpster. Does anyone know the address of the DP High speed scanning place, and whether anyone there would process these? They have wonderful engravings. I would lpay the postage, if I knew where to send them and that someone would process them to DP. nwolcott2(a)post.harvard.edu Friar Wolcott, Gutenberg Abbey, Sherwood Forrest

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] Re: Extra spaces in html files
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

tony, thank you! your input as a blind reader is extremely valuable. i love it. > Let's not lose sight of the goal of PG ha! and you've got a sense of humor too! ;+) -bowerbird

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Fundraising thru Amazon ???
by Marcello Perathoner 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

Warning: potential heresy ahead! Seeing that many `independent' PG websites are trying to make money using our books and our catalog data, basically mixing search results from PG and Amazon Ads, eg. http://www.abacci.com/books/ http://textual.net/access.gutenberg why not do some fundraising thru Amazon ourselves? Basically, we set up a page and tell our visitors: If you ever feel the need to buy a book at Amazon don't go there directly but always thru the PG site. Thus Amazon will pass a small percentage of the revenue back to PG. This way you can donate to PG without spending anything and virtually without any trouble. Just delete your old Amazon bookmark and bookmark this page instead. More details at: http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=3435371 -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.org

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Re: [gutvol-d] Fundraising thru Amazon ???
by Joshua Hutchinson 07 Oct '04

07 Oct '04

I've got no problem with it. Just don't make it too obtrusive and I think it's a fine way to try to bring some income into our little corner of the Net. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcello Perathoner <marcello(a)perathoner.de> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:34:59 +0200 To: Project Gutenberg volunteer discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> Subject: [gutvol-d] Fundraising thru Amazon ??? > Warning: potential heresy ahead! > > > > Seeing that many `independent' PG websites are trying to make money > using our books and our catalog data, basically mixing search results > from PG and Amazon Ads, eg. > > http://www.abacci.com/books/ > http://textual.net/access.gutenberg > > why not do some fundraising thru Amazon ourselves? > > > Basically, we set up a page and tell our visitors: > > If you ever feel the need to buy a book at Amazon > don't go there directly but always thru the PG site. > Thus Amazon will pass a small percentage of the revenue > back to PG. This way you can donate to PG without > spending anything and virtually without any trouble. > Just delete your old Amazon bookmark and bookmark > this page instead. > > > More details at: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=3435371 > > > > -- > Marcello Perathoner > webmaster(a)gutenberg.org > > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

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Re: [gutvol-d] Indexing Editors, etc.
by D. Starner 05 Oct '04

05 Oct '04

> I understand the need to conceal the date, publisher etc for most PG books. I don't. Most of the reprint editions I've seen don't; they usually have printed right on the verso which edition they are a copy of. > But I think an exception could be made if the book is over 100 years old. > Books of this age are likely to be among the first published and hence have > authenticity. Often the publisher has ceased publication, and in this case > (as opposed to being bought out) there is no harm in listing the publisher. I'm doing a lot of books over 100 years old that are new editions of older books. And there's a lot of cases where (for example) the American edition came out months after the British edition, but isn't considered authentic at all. Likewise, the Early English Text Society is still publishing, as is the Oxford University Press and most other university presses. I don't think time makes a bit of difference here. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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re: [gutvol-d] re: toasted-cheese sandwich
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

scott said: > How does Z/M/L handle the 3 cases that I listed? oh please, nobody here wants to talk about z.m.l. ok, maybe 2 or 3 people, but nobody else. and those 2 or 3 should join the beta-test for my viewer-program, where we can discuss issues like the ones scott lists. zml_talk-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com now i'm off to make that sandwich... -bowerbird p.s. to answer your question, though, scott, annotations could be used to make those notes.

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