joey said:
you'd have us all believe that there is some massive influx of browsing that was never happening before simply because Apple released the iPhone.
that's exactly what i'm saying, you're right. (which is a huge improvement, in the sense that now you're not trying to put words in my mouth.) there are some 60 million people out there with itouch/iphone hardware who now visit the web -- at least occasionally -- who did not before... don't get me wrong. the opera mini-browser was a huge accomplishment, once upon a time. it was just placed in the wrong hardware is all. (and, on the flip side, nokia had some very cool hardware, but it was plagued by uncool software, and a user-base that never attained critical mass. that's the important concept here folks, critical mass.)
Your assertions hold no water.
i'm _astounded_ anyone questions this observation, since those 60 million people are darn hard to miss! indeed, joey, didn't you say your wife was one of us?
if you're AT&T, and you managed to find a massive scapegoat for your systemic failure, you'd jump all over that too.
i see. now you admit that 60 million users constitutes a "massive" phenomenon. so we have some progress.
Even assuming that AT&T is being honest (which is not a given by any means)
at&t conceded they can't handle the traffic in n.y. city. i'm sure plenty of people in manhattan can vouch for that.
and that this isn't some marketing ploy Apple and AT&T cooked up
oh yeah, sure, it's a great "marketing ploy" to admit that you can't handle the traffic in the country's biggest city. it's the kind of thing that does wonders for a reputation.
an especially uncomfortable thought since I'm a daily victim of that horrid monstrosity and can personally attest that it has not gotten any worse in the 2+ years since the introduction of the iPhone.
it hasn't gotten any better, either, which is terribly sad. especially when the reports came out that said that even though at&t is making more money than before, they haven't plowed much of it back into building up their capacity for the future. it seems that they would rather just take the money and run. fake steve jobs had a great column on this about 2-4 weeks back...
you led me to believe you were developing your ZML app on the only computer you could afford, and it was several years old at the time
your reading comprehension skills have never impressed me.
Where's the download link for this editor/viewer?
join the zml_talk group at yahoogroups, and you can find the programs in the "files" section, dated june 9, 2005... write up a thoughtful review and post it to this listserve, and then i'll send you a more recent copy if you want one. but i get the feeling you're not interested. you just wanted to hurl an insult, and you didn't know that the one you threw ("vaporware"!) had its viability demolished over 5 years ago... -bowerbird
Noting bird did not reply to my last reply to him. And proceeding accordingly. On Tue, 26 Jan 2010, Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:
joey said:
you'd have us all believe that there is some massive influx of browsing that was never happening before simply because Apple released the iPhone.
that's exactly what i'm saying, you're right.
(which is a huge improvement, in the sense that now you're not trying to put words in my mouth.)
there are some 60 million people out there with itouch/iphone hardware who now visit the web -- at least occasionally -- who did not before...
In my own experience most of the iPhone/iPod Touch users I know were more than inclined to "visit the web" more than the average. . .before. As usual, I'm willing to bet on it.
don't get me wrong. the opera mini-browser was a huge accomplishment, once upon a time. it was just placed in the wrong hardware is all.
If the software works well, how is it that the hardware can be the problem.
(and, on the flip side, nokia had some very cool hardware, but it was plagued by uncool software, and a user-base that never attained critical mass. that's the important concept here folks, critical mass.)
Personally, I think Nokia made significant contributions, but you might be right as of late, as I haven't kept up a lot with what they are doing today. In fact, I would love input on how Nokia, Ericsson, etc., are doing, since I haven't been to Europe lately. I am also curious why Sony, etc., haven't been in it all.
Your assertions hold no water.
i'm _astounded_ anyone questions this observation, since those 60 million people are darn hard to miss! indeed, joey, didn't you say your wife was one of us?
60 million out of 4.5 billion??? Still not an earthshaking percentage. Aren't there more iPods than iPhones? By a lot!?!?!?
if you're AT&T, and you managed to find a massive scapegoat for your systemic failure, you'd jump all over that too.
i see. now you admit that 60 million users constitutes a "massive" phenomenon. so we have some progress.
Then again, eReaders would kill for those numbers!!!
Even assuming that AT&T is being honest (which is not a given by any means)
at&t conceded they can't handle the traffic in n.y. city. i'm sure plenty of people in manhattan can vouch for that.
There are always going to be bottlenecks. Go to any major university at try to get a cell line the moment the exit bell rings. . .not always. . . . Try in NYC, Chicago, Boston, etc., where universities are packed in some neighborhoods like sardines. . . . Or when news breaks. . . . The real question is what happens 90% of the time, not during the exceptions, though _I_ would be most willing to cancel my service and refuse to pay any early terminations fees on that cause. . .but the truth is that people are pretty spoiled to expect everything to work all of the time. When's the last time YOUR utilities were off 4 days?
and that this isn't some marketing ploy Apple and AT&T cooked up
oh yeah, sure, it's a great "marketing ploy" to admit that you can't handle the traffic in the country's biggest city. it's the kind of thing that does wonders for a reputation.
Is anyone going to actually mention just how much services were degrading?
an especially uncomfortable thought since I'm a daily victim of that horrid monstrosity and can personally attest that it has not gotten any worse in the 2+ years since the introduction of the iPhone.
it hasn't gotten any better, either, which is terribly sad.
I still want to know how bad it was. . . . Doesn't anyone remember when PG had notices asking people not to call in at certain overload times? I remember when LOTS of major sites uses to post graphics showing the user levels so people would come in during "off peak hours." Doesn't anyone remember any of this?
especially when the reports came out that said that even though at&t is making more money than before, they haven't plowed much of it back into building up their capacity for the future. it seems that they would rather just take the money and run. fake steve jobs had a great column on this about 2-4 weeks back...
you led me to believe you were developing your ZML app on the only computer you could afford, and it was several years old at the time
your reading comprehension skills have never impressed me.
Makes me wonder how anyone here passed grade school. . . .
Where's the download link for this editor/viewer?
join the zml_talk group at yahoogroups, and you can find the programs in the "files" section, dated june 9, 2005...
write up a thoughtful review and post it to this listserve, and then i'll send you a more recent copy if you want one.
but i get the feeling you're not interested. you just wanted to hurl an insult, and you didn't know that the one you threw ("vaporware"!) had its viability demolished over 5 years ago...
-bowerbird
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