Re: Calibre: Open Source Software for Managing eBook Collections

jim said:
In this case all the epub viewers agree not to display his generated codes, so in this case it's the viewer-apps which are agreeing.
so maybe this is a case where calibre insists on doing it right, and none of the viewer-apps agree. i don't know. i don't care. this is a problem for the people who support the .epub format, and i'm not one of those idiots. i have no craving for confusion.
The codes are in there, they are just not displaying, so I'm not sure what is wrong with the epub he is generating.
if "the codes are in there", then why would you assume that there is something wrong with the .epub? if the problem is with the display, then the cause might be the viewer-apps... too bad you don't have a reference implementation. sorry. -bowerbird

i have no craving for confusion.
I thought you were proposing to introduce yet-another PG boutique file format -- which exactly 0% of the user devices will display. Why do people buy EPUB devices? Because it works for them. Could PG files easily work better with EPUB devices? Yes. Why do people buy MOBI devices? Because it works for them. Could PG files easily work better with MOBI devices? Yes. Why do some of us put up with these difficulties? Because we are actually interested in creating books that people will actually put on their devices and actually read. If people buy EPUB devices, that's where I want to be. If people buy Kindle devices, that's where I want to be. If people buy iPads (and actually read with them as opposed to just playing Pictionary) then that's where I want to be. And frankly the "diseases" are not as bad as some of the proposed "cures." Are people buying reader devices designed to display txt70 ? No. Are people buying reader devices designed to display ZML ? No. Why not? They don't like those file formats and their limitations. When you convince Sony, Apple, Amazon, B&N, Blackberry etc. to support ZML *then* come talk.

Jim you can not be serious! If you are, I need a straight jacket pronto. Yout argumentation is flawed. Most people buy a device because they like the device, not necessarily the format of the files! I suppose if you were a banker you would have went down, too. As a friend of mine say 100 of millions can not err, eat shit! flies that is! regards Keith Am 07.02.2011 um 21:10 schrieb Jim Adcock:
i have no craving for confusion.
I thought you were proposing to introduce yet-another PG boutique file format -- which exactly 0% of the user devices will display.
Why do people buy EPUB devices? Because it works for them. Could PG files easily work better with EPUB devices? Yes.
Why do people buy MOBI devices? Because it works for them. Could PG files easily work better with MOBI devices? Yes.
Why do some of us put up with these difficulties? Because we are actually interested in creating books that people will actually put on their devices and actually read. If people buy EPUB devices, that's where I want to be. If people buy Kindle devices, that's where I want to be. If people buy iPads (and actually read with them as opposed to just playing Pictionary) then that's where I want to be.
And frankly the "diseases" are not as bad as some of the proposed "cures."
Are people buying reader devices designed to display txt70 ? No.
Are people buying reader devices designed to display ZML ? No.
Why not? They don't like those file formats and their limitations.
When you convince Sony, Apple, Amazon, B&N, Blackberry etc. to support ZML *then* come talk.
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As a friend of mine say 100 of millions can not err, eat shit! flies that is!
If I hazard to attempt to decode the logic of your rhetoric, I think what you are trying to say is that PG ought to only support a subset of those reading devices PG customers, or would-be PG customers, own and would like to read on. Okay, then, perhaps you can list in the below two boxes which machines you propose that PG *ought* to be supporting, and which machines you propose PG *ought not* to be supporting: ========= List of PG supported devices: ============= ========= List of PG *not* supported devices: ======= ===================================================== You can make such a list -- and certainly [privately] I have my own mental list of such devices I think PG ought and ought not to be supporting, BUT, if anyone were to mention such lists publicly then all that happens is "we" engage in endless flame wars. AND, more importantly, "we" would be going around in circles. Some years ago I asked PG to allow me to start posting MOBI formatted files because I thought the personal eBook Reader market was heating up, and was told by the PG "powers that be" to go stuff myself, and if this was something I wanted to waste my time on, I should go make my own website to support such machines. I did go stuff myself and went off and made my own website to support such machines, and so did many other people -- the difference being *the other people* took PG's name off the books, and "down-converted" the formatting of the PG books, throwing away much PG volunteer time and effort, and thawing away some of the original author and publishers intent, while "selling" these books "as their own." Whereas I left PG's name on the books, told people how to donate and volunteer to PG, and didn't "down-convert" the formatting, but rather left as much of the original formatting in place as the MOBI file format supports. And after a couple years of seeing other people getting all the credit for PG's efforts, guess what, surprise, PG decides they had better support MOBI after all. And that they had better support EPUB while they're at it. So, now we "PG" are supporting MOBI and EPUB. Well, what does it take to *actually* support MOBI and EPUB? One better know what the various MOBI and EPUB devices can or cannot do, just like one -- if one thinks one is writing "good style" in HTML -- one better know what the major HTML browser do or do not do with your HTML code on each of the browsers on at least the three better known HTML operating systems, otherwise, guess what -- what the PG customers end up seeing from your "eBook Writing Efforts" is, in practice, garbage.

You did decode correctly, not paid attention to con and cotext! Your logic is only, support those of many, only use the ideas of the many, and follow only the many! regards Keith Am 12.02.2011 um 23:54 schrieb Jim Adcock:
As a friend of mine say 100 of millions can not err, eat shit! flies that is!
If I hazard to attempt to decode the logic of your rhetoric, I think what you are trying to say is that PG ought to only support a subset of those reading devices PG customers, or would-be PG customers, own and would like to read on.
Okay, then, perhaps you can list in the below two boxes which machines you propose that PG *ought* to be supporting, and which machines you propose PG *ought not* to be supporting:
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Jim Adcock
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