[posted] Language detection error? (Re: Posted (#40466, Sifferath) !)

[Greg Newby]

Thanks for this closer look, Nigel.  In response, I also just took a
closer look, and now wonder whether there was a glitch in the Web
cataloging or human cataloging.  I don't think it was Al that entered
"Ojibwa, Western," but the automatic post-processing & cataloging that
happens when new files are posted.

Within the text (HTML and .txt) you can see the language is Ojibwa,
as you submitted:
  Language: Ojibwa

But the bibrec page lists "Ojibwa, Western:"
  http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/40466

It might be that Marcello's automatic cataloging somehow matched
on a more specific language code (perhaps simply selecting the latest
sorted code with a matching string).

Based on your input, and the fact that the books do indicate
Ojibwa withIN them, I think we should recode ISO 639-3 code "oji",
as you indicated below.

I'm cc'ing Andrew Sly, who (along with Marcello and I, and a few
others) who can "make it so" in the bibrec.  But we can see whether
others have different opinions or diagnostics.

Even if it's "Ojibwa," rather than "Ojibwa, Western", it's a new
language for Project Gutenberg.  Thanks again,
  -- Greg

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 05:39:52PM +0100, Blower Nigel wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I'm not sure it is *Western* Ojibwa.
> 
> The project at DP was labelled as Ojibwa, and after I PPVed it, when I uploaded to PG, I entered the 2 character language code "oj" which is the ISO 639-1 code for Ojibwa. The WWer, Al Haines, entered "Ojibwa, Western" in the Bibrec, which is ISO 639-3 code "ojw".
> 
> In my ignorance, I assumed that "Western Ojibwa" was the full name for Ojibwa. Since Greg's email, I've investigated a bit more, and there are several Ojibwa dialects. Since on the title page Sifferath is described as Missionary of the Ottawa and Otchipwe Indians, and this page (http://home.kpn.nl/cvkolmes/ojibwe/Siff/Sifferath.htm) describes the book as Sifferath's Odaawaa Catechism, perhaps the language would be better described as "Ottawa", which is ISO 639-3 code "otw", or maybe just Ojibwa, ISO 639-3 code "oji" which is an inclusive code, would be sufficient.
> 
> If you search for Ojibwa on the gutenberg site, some books do come up which are labelled North American Indian "nai".
> 
> Sorry if any of this confusion is my fault - do let me know if you need me to do anything about it.
> 
> Regards
> Nigel
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Greg Newby [gbnewby at pglaf.org]
> Sent: 11 August 2012 15:52
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> Cc: Blower Nigel; Peter Podgor ek; dp-post at pgdp.net
> Subject: Re: [posted] Posted (#40466, Sifferath) !
> 
> This is our first eBook in the language of Western Ojibwa!
>   -- Greg
> 
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 01:57:51PM -0700, Al Haines wrote:
> >
> > A Short Compendium of the Catechism for the Indians, by N. L. Sifferath  40466
> >   [Subtitle: With the Approbation of the Rt. Rev. Frederic Baraga,
> >               Bishop of Saut Sainte Marie]
> >   [Other: Frederic Baraga]
> >   [Language: Ojibwa]
> >   [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/4/0/4/6/40466 ]
> >   [Files: 40466.txt; 40466-h.htm]
> >
> > Thanks to Peter Podgor?ek, Heiko Evermann and the Online
> > Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net (This
> > book was produced from scanned images of public domain
> > material from the Google Print project and from
> > Canadiana.org)
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Al
> 
> 
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