[posted] Language detection error? (Re: Posted (#40466, Sifferath) !)

[Al Haines]

A couple of things happened with this one's language.

Nigel says he entered "oj" on the upload form, which I changed to
"Ojibwa".  (I had to figure this out from the uploaded text file.)  BUT,
I forgot to save the change, which left "oj".  I'm guessing (and *only*
guessing) that the posting software saw "oj", didn't understand it, and
put "English", which is what ended up in the catalog.  If I had saved
the change, "Ojibwa" would have been added to PG's list of languages,
and the catalog page correct.  

When Nigel informed me of this book's bibrec page showing English, I
tried to correct 40466's language to "Ojibwa", but there's no mechanism
(that I could see) in the catalog back-end software to manually add a
new language.  (You *can* add new authors.)  When I did a wild-card
search (*) to get the full list of available languages, I found "Ojibwa,
Western", and used it.


Hint to DP uploaders: language names should always be written in full.
It saves the WWers from having to figure out, or ask the uploader, what
a code means.

Al



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Newby [mailto:gbnewby at pglaf.org] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:22 AM
> To: Blower Nigel
> Cc: Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements; Peter Podgor 
> ek; dp-post at pgdp.net; Andrew Sly; Marcello Perathoner; Al Haines
> Subject: Language detection error? (Re: [posted] Posted 
> (#40466, Sifferath) !)
> 
> 
> Thanks for this closer look, Nigel.  In response, I also just 
> took a closer look, and now wonder whether there was a glitch 
> in the Web cataloging or human cataloging.  I don't think it 
> was Al that entered "Ojibwa, Western," but the automatic 
> post-processing & cataloging that happens when new files are posted.
> 
> Within the text (HTML and .txt) you can see the language is 
> Ojibwa, as you submitted:
>   Language: Ojibwa
> 
> But the bibrec page lists "Ojibwa, Western:"
>   http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/40466
> 
> It might be that Marcello's automatic cataloging somehow 
> matched on a more specific language code (perhaps simply 
> selecting the latest sorted code with a matching string).
> 
> Based on your input, and the fact that the books do indicate 
> Ojibwa withIN them, I think we should recode ISO 639-3 code 
> "oji", as you indicated below.
> 
> I'm cc'ing Andrew Sly, who (along with Marcello and I, and a few
> others) who can "make it so" in the bibrec.  But we can see 
> whether others have different opinions or diagnostics.
> 
> Even if it's "Ojibwa," rather than "Ojibwa, Western", it's a 
> new language for Project Gutenberg.  Thanks again,
>   -- Greg
> 
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 05:39:52PM +0100, Blower Nigel wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > I'm not sure it is *Western* Ojibwa.
> > 
> > The project at DP was labelled as Ojibwa, and after I PPVed 
> it, when I 
> > uploaded to PG, I entered the 2 character language code 
> "oj" which is 
> > the ISO 639-1 code for Ojibwa. The WWer, Al Haines, entered 
> "Ojibwa, 
> > Western" in the Bibrec, which is ISO 639-3 code "ojw".
> > 
> > In my ignorance, I assumed that "Western Ojibwa" was the 
> full name for 
> > Ojibwa. Since Greg's email, I've investigated a bit more, and there 
> > are several Ojibwa dialects. Since on the title page Sifferath is 
> > described as Missionary of the Ottawa and Otchipwe Indians, 
> and this 
> > page 
> (http://home.kpn.nl/cvkolmes/ojibwe/Siff/Sifferath.htm) describes 
> > the book as Sifferath's Odaawaa Catechism, perhaps the 
> language would 
> > be better described as "Ottawa", which is ISO 639-3 code "otw", or 
> > maybe just Ojibwa, ISO 639-3 code "oji" which is an inclusive code, 
> > would be sufficient.
> > 
> > If you search for Ojibwa on the gutenberg site, some books 
> do come up 
> > which are labelled North American Indian "nai".
> > 
> > Sorry if any of this confusion is my fault - do let me know if you 
> > need me to do anything about it.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Nigel
> > 
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Greg Newby [gbnewby at pglaf.org]
> > Sent: 11 August 2012 15:52
> > To: Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements
> > Cc: Blower Nigel; Peter Podgor ek; dp-post at pgdp.net
> > Subject: Re: [posted] Posted (#40466, Sifferath) !
> > 
> > This is our first eBook in the language of Western Ojibwa!
> >   -- Greg
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 01:57:51PM -0700, Al Haines wrote:
> > >
> > > A Short Compendium of the Catechism for the Indians, by 
> N. L. Sifferath  40466
> > >   [Subtitle: With the Approbation of the Rt. Rev. Frederic Baraga,
> > >               Bishop of Saut Sainte Marie]
> > >   [Other: Frederic Baraga]
> > >   [Language: Ojibwa]
> > >   [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/4/0/4/6/40466 ]
> > >   [Files: 40466.txt; 40466-h.htm]
> > >
> > > Thanks to Peter Podgor?ek, Heiko Evermann and the Online 
> Distributed 
> > > Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net (This book was produced 
> > > from scanned images of public domain material from the 
> Google Print 
> > > project and from
> > > Canadiana.org)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Al
> > 
> > 
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