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re: [gutvol-d] Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

melissa said: > Is there a reason your text > needs to be so giant lately Bowerbird? > It's really quite intrusively large. sorry. it's a new version of the a.o.l. client, and i don't seem to be able to turn off .html. please accept my apologies... i too long for the days of plain-text... :+( -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

marcello said: > Guess who started this thread? i don't need to "guess". the phrase "unluckily for us" was the beginning of an assertion made by lee. that's what "started this thread". but the real reason people get fed up is no-content posts like yours here... think about that before you make another. -bowerbird

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The Bowerbird
by Marcello Perathoner 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

The Bowerbird "Bower-" said I, "-bird of evil! -- Bore and wastrel, fiend and devil! Get thee back into thy bower at the Californian shore! Be today your time of parting, get a life!" I shrieked, upstarting -- "We are tired of your blurting! -- Quit! and post here nevermore! Will you -- *will* you leave this listserve? -- tell me -- tell me, I implore!" Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore." -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.org

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Copyright Renewals
by John Hagerson 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

Through my contacts with people as part of the CD and DVD distribution effort, I had a recent contact with a person who was confused by something that she found on the shelves of our library. She found a book that she was interested in reading, but she could not figure out how to download it. After some back and forth, I found that she had apparently used one of the full text search engines which found a citation of an interesting book within one of the copyright renewals files. Of course, because the copyright has been renewed, this particular book will not be available on PG for quite a while. This may be an isolated instance. However, would it make sense to prevent the full text search engines from indexing the copyright renewal files? Would it make sense to add some text to the PG index page to indicate that the copyright renewal files list books that are NOT in PG, rather than books that are? Thank you. John Hagerson

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re: [gutvol-d] Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

jon noring said: > It is NOT trivial as Lee explained. as i explained, jon, i'm not speaking with you here. as usual, all of your points can be addressed. if anyone cares to hear them being addressed, they will have to make the points themselves. but i think most people just want this thread to go poof... -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

josh said: > "this thread" is code for "Bowerbird", actually. now that's funny. i like funny. :+) but most people want the _conflict_ to go poof. and once i start delivering the pudding to y'all, the reaction will be silence from the other side, pure silence, so the conflict will indeed go away. -bowerbird p.s. oops. posted from my girlfriend's account. but from me, without a doubt, that tone is unique. :+)

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re: [gutvol-d] Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

lee said: > Sure, but you don't get to call a lemon purple, > just because that's the way you see it. and if i _do_ call a lemon purple? or you call it chartreuse? who cares? if it ain't important in rendering the e-book, it makes absolutely no difference what color anyone calls it. > I can't see why this particular wheel needs re-inventing. and your obsession with paragraphs strikes me as being as unimportant and trivial as the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. so, lee, are you up for our usability challenge on alice? or is this little exercise your attempt to deflect attention? -bowerbird

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Re: [gutvol-d] ANNOUNCEMENT: XML has hit the PG archives! (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Lee Passey 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

Jon Noring <jon(a)noring.name> wrote: >Lee Passey wrote: > >>I would really like to know what the rationale for this rule is. >> >> >I suggest that you repackage your inquiry and post it to TEI-L. That's >where the bulk of the TEI experts, including those involved with TEI >development, hang out. Sebastian Rahtz is one of the brilliant people >there who is interested in a more constrained TEI subset for ebook >use. > > http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?SL1=TEI-L&H=LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU > >Maybe this time around the TEI mavens will be able to cogently explain >(at the highest abstract level) why one should not have a <p> after a ><div> within another <div>, but can have a <p> before the <div>. I'm >still quite perplexed, as it appears Marcello is as well. > > OK, so I guess I really don't want to know that badly. Everyone has to select from among those things they feel passsionate about, which ones they are going to spend time working one, and for me this is not one of those things. Besides, if they're not going to listen to Mr. Perathoner, or Mr. Collin, or even, apparently, Mr. Rahtz, one more random voice crying from the wilderness is not going to make much difference. Besides, being the anarchist that I am, my solution would be just to grab the TEI dtds from tei-c.org, rename them to "pg<whatever>.dtd", replace the one offending comma with a space, and then validate to that instead.

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Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Lee Passey 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Bowerbird(a)aol.com wrote: > > In z.m.l., anything surrounded by > > two or more blank lines is structured text. > > wait a minute! _i_ make the rules for z.m.l., not you. :+) Sure, but you don't get to call a lemon purple, just because that's the way you see it. So if you require that paragraphs in your markup language be segregated from the surrounding text by one, and only one, blank line you have forced a structure on the text. Hence, it is, by definition, a structured text. [snip] > in z.m.l., blank lines are the very thing that _define_ > paragraphs -- and titles too. so i am afraid that z.m.l. > will never "be able to" do what you are asking. but... Precisely my point. I was hoping that you were coming up with an algorithm that would identify _real_ paragraphs (as defined in the English language) inside unstructured text (human beings are pretty good at it, but even they are not infallible), and instead you have told me that you can detect blocks of random text which are delimited by blank lines (which we shall refer to as bns-paragraphs, for "bowerbird new-speak paragraphs") from inside of z.m.l.-structured text. The µBook ebook reader can do that right now (PG simplified text looks really good in µBook). I can't see why this particular wheel needs re-inventing.

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Re: [gutvol-d] Re: prank someone is pulling
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

In a message dated 8/24/2005 2:16:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jon_niehof(a)yahoo.com writes: >Hmm. If someone faxed him Julius Caesar, I wonder* if he'd be >mad at ol' Will. Or Caesar. >It annoys me no end that the good names of volunteers are >besmirched in this fashion (or via google spamming, as posted >earlier). >(*but not enough to try it or recommend someone else try) Good question! I reassured him about three dozen times that nobody in our organization did it, but I don't think he believed me for the first two and a half dozen times. Anne Anne Do you like to breathe? Then save the trees! Begin a personal relationship with an ebook TODAY!

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