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Russian author names
by Andrew Sly 01 Sep '05

01 Sep '05

Are there any volunteers out there who can read Russian? I've been adding names of Russian authors in cyrillic characters to the PG online database. You can see them part way down the page, here: http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/other I have found information online which I belive may have the full name of the writer "Semyonov, S. T." but without understanding the Russian, I cannot be sure. If anyone is aware of Russian authors represented in PG who I have missed, I'd appreciate hearing about it. Thanks, Andrew

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Original publication dates?
by Mark Davies 01 Sep '05

01 Sep '05

Sorry if this is a FAQ, or a variation on a FAQ. Are there any Project Gutenberg databases that show the *original* publication dates (e.g. 1875, 1916) for all or most of the texts? I've created a database (current as of a few months ago) that has info on each book -- author, title, LC classification, etc --- but nowhere in the metadata for the texts could I find the original publication date. Unless I can find such a database, I'm going to get a research assistant to find this info for all ([original] English language) texts in the collection, or else write a script to automate the process. FWIW, I'm planning on using the Gutenberg texts as part of a 100 million word corpus of texts from English (British and US) from the 1800s-1900s, similar to what I've done for the 100 million word British National Corpus (http://view.byu.edu) and the 100 million word Corpus del Espanol (www.corpusdelespanol.org) Thanks in advance for any info you might have. Mark Davies ================================================= Mark Davies Assoc. Prof., Linguistics Brigham Young University (phone) 801-422-9168 / (fax) 801-422-0906 http://davies-linguistics.byu.edu ** Corpus design and use // Linguistic databases ** ** Historical linguistics // Language variation ** ** English, Spanish, and Portuguese ** =================================================

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re: [gutvol-d] banana-cream
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

marcello said: > If I understand this right, the etext is hard-coded into the reader? for the demo, yes, it is. both the text and the download u.r.l.s are hard-coded. it wouldn't make sense to do a demo program differently. > So you'll have to program a reader for each of the 16.000 ebooks? for the actual program, no. what would be the sense in that? > And that from the guy that always said > marking up was too much trouble. get it straight, marcello. i said that markup is _costly_. and that it might not be _worth_its_benefits_. (especially considering that most of the hype will not be realized, for one reason or another.) but whether markup is "too much trouble" depends on whether _i_ do it, or _you_ do it. if you do it, i don't think it'll be "too much trouble" at all. indeed, i'm impatient for you to start to get to work on it. and i've waited for several years. what is your hangup? -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] banana-cream
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

josh said: > I am absolutely shocked by this. > Shocked and surprised and dismayed. gee, gosh, i didn't know you cared so much! > Who would have thought bowerbird would > disappoint us on a promised release? well, i don't think anyone is "disappointed". but if they are, they can just request a copy of the program backchannel. and _voila!_ -bowerbird

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banana-cream
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

i've decided not to take the banana-cream demo public yet. the current version works on jon noring's "my antonia". i've started work on a version that uses another e-text, which will be submitted very soon to project gutenberg, and that's the demonstration that i will take public first... however, if you'd like to take a look at the current version, just request it from me backchannel. (tell me your o.s.) have a nice day... -bowerbird p.s. if anyone wants to smoothread an advance-copy of this other e-text prior to its being submitted, let me know. it's a space-story set in the future, by meyer moldeven...

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Re: [gutvol-d] banana-cream
by Joshua Hutchinson 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

----- Original Message ----- From: Bowerbird(a)aol.com > > i've decided not to take the banana-cream demo public yet. > I am absolutely shocked by this. Shocked and surprised and dismayed. Who would have thought bowerbird would disappoint us on a promised release? Josh

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reinventing the wheel
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

lee said: > The µBook ebook reader can do that right now > (PG simplified text looks really good in µBook). so µbook has upgraded the project gutenberg e-texts from "impoverished text format" to "p.g. simplified text"? that's good news to hear. imagine what a more powerful viewer-app might do for the reputation of these e-texts... > (PG simplified text looks really good in µBook). > I can't see why this particular wheel needs re-inventing. you know, lee, over the many years, i've heard you say a lot of smart things. and a few dumb things too. this statement has to be one of your dumbest ever... you point me -- a mac user -- to a pc-only program, and then suggest that by writing the same type of app, i am "reinventing the wheel"? what a silly thing to say. but let me reassure you that i am not stopping there at the viewer-program. no sir, that's only the first step... if you take a look at my viewer now, it already contains several features that give the reader a sense of mastery over the document, like a multiple-term search routine. and i'll extend those features greatly, offering things like automatic generation of a concordance and kwic feature. none of these features is available in any other viewer. but as i said, i'm not stopping there... i've gone to the next step -- writing the authoring-tool -- a number of times. that's the more important program; until someone creates e-books, readers can't read 'em. and tomorrow, i will upload "banana-cream", a demo that shows how a reader might incorporate on-line scans into their e-book experience. i expect people who know how to digitize paper-books will realize this app can help them too. but i have gone way past that step as well. my research has examined the question of how to put many thousands of e-books on a person's machine in a manageable way which maximizes the potential obtained from all of them. (this arena includes realms like searching and interlinking.) i have also studied the best way to form and use a "database" of the various things that a person has read on their computer (not just e-books, but e-mail and websites and what have you), so you can quickly and easily pull out anything you have read, even if you don't remember when you read it, or its source... this power to recall anything you've ever read (provided that you read it on your computer) will be a revolutionary spark... so i'm not "reinventing the wheel". i'm reinventing 18 of 'em, and putting them under a big rig, so i can roll down the road... i'm not standing still, lee. you shouldn't either... -bowerbird

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how can you
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 28 Aug '05

28 Aug '05

aaron said: > It's too bad really. You've got some half-decent ideas here. > However, I can promise you they will never be embraced > by anyone if you don't radically alter your social conduct. how can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat? -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Aaron Cannon 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 07:12 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote: >no. again, your problems with inference manifest. > >the point is that mr. noring should be _embarassed_ to >subject michael hart to moderation on an e-book listserve. Ok. I am sure we can all use our imaginations for this one and make your interpretation fit. >michael hart pioneered e-books. he should be allowed to >speak, to speak freely, and to speak as much as he wants. > >that's _my_ opinion anyway. and i feel strongly enough >about it that i don't care to speak to jon here, thank you. > >i am not telling you that _you_ can't speak to him here, >or that _he_ can't speak here. i'm just saying that i don't >care to speak to him, so i will be ignoring any questions >that he asks in his posts. but again, if _you_ want the >answers to any of his questions, just ask me yourself. Again, I am curious, but I will not ask you. I'm not interested in playing the Bowerbird Game. If you do not wish to answer serious questions about your project, why should I or anyone else care. It's like if you have two people X and Y, and person x designs Z. X: "You should really use Z. I designed it and it will solve all of the problems that you have." Y: "Oh really X? If I feed A and B to Z, will I get output C?" x: "I'm sorry I can't answer that question because you called me X and not Mr. X." Y: "Yeah, but what about D and E and F? How does project Z handle those?" X: "hmm hmm hmm lalala not listening; not listening." Y: Fine, I'll use project W instead. It's been around longer, has better documentation, and more extensive testing." X: "You're just trying to make me look bad! Project W is stupid and everyone knows it. You are nothing but a vocal minority. I am the only one who knows what everyone else wants." It's not a perfect analogy, but pretty dang close. > > Awe yes. Please provide me with a link > > so I can download these revolutionary applications. > >well, i've given it numerous times already, >but i'm happy to give it to you again, aaron. > >join the zml_talk listserve at yahoogroups, by sending >an e-mail to zml_talk-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com >and you will find the zml-viewer in the "files" section. That's not a link. A link generally, but not always begins with http://.... Do you keep it locked up under the files section to control it's distribution? Doesn't exactly sound like a distribution model that Project Gutenberg will be likely to embrace. Since you've worked on so many ebook related apps in the past, it doesn't seem like it would be much of a challenge for you to find somewhere to host the files. >banana-cream will be available for download next week. >or, if you'd like to see it sooner, just request it backchannel. No thanks. I did however take a look at the give program. It could use some redesign as far as the pull down menus are concerned. I've never seen so many in my life. Also, I can tell you for sure that it is not very accessible for a blind user. By not very accessible, I mean that I would never read a book in it, although I could read a page if I had to. It's too bad really. You've got some half-decent ideas here. However, I can promise you they will never be embraced by anyone if you don't radically alter your social conduct. >if you have any more questions, save them for next week. >as i've said, it's rude to flood the listserve on the weekend. Oh that's classic stuff! That's right Bowerbird, we wouldn't want to flood the listserve. Could this be simply another means of avoiding difficult questions? Sincerely Aaron Cannon - -- E-mail: cannona(a)fireantproductions.com Skype: cannona MSN Messenger: cannona(a)hotmail.com (Do not send E-mail to the hotmail address.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.959 Comment: Key available from all major key servers. iD8DBQFDELuQI7J99hVZuJcRAvrxAKCeV0w/19oL0c8uHAXqp7B/KcoxNgCffF86 yneUAn5plrhQWFe762xvKWc= =uLAi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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re: [gutvol-d] Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

aaron said: > The purpose of this rhetorical question was > clearly to point out that Mr. Noring is some how > unqualified to speak on the matter no. again, your problems with inference manifest. the point is that mr. noring should be _embarassed_ to subject michael hart to moderation on an e-book listserve. michael hart pioneered e-books. he should be allowed to speak, to speak freely, and to speak as much as he wants. that's _my_ opinion anyway. and i feel strongly enough about it that i don't care to speak to jon here, thank you. i am not telling you that _you_ can't speak to him here, or that _he_ can't speak here. i'm just saying that i don't care to speak to him, so i will be ignoring any questions that he asks in his posts. but again, if _you_ want the answers to any of his questions, just ask me yourself. > Awe yes. Please provide me with a link > so I can download these revolutionary applications. well, i've given it numerous times already, but i'm happy to give it to you again, aaron. join the zml_talk listserve at yahoogroups, by sending an e-mail to zml_talk-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com and you will find the zml-viewer in the "files" section. banana-cream will be available for download next week. or, if you'd like to see it sooner, just request it backchannel. if you have any more questions, save them for next week. as i've said, it's rude to flood the listserve on the weekend. -bowerbird

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