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Greg, please read
by Aaron Cannon 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

Please check your spam folder for a message from mdelato(a)gmail.com. She one of our CD/DVD volunteers who has been attempting to reach you without success. Thanks and sorry everyone else for the interruption. Sincerely Aaron Cannon -- E-mail: cannona(a)fireantproductions.com Skype: cannona MSN Messenger: cannona(a)hotmail.com (Do not send E-mail to the hotmail address.)

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re: [gutvol-d] Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

aaron said: > Awe, I see. So in order to be able to criticize anything, > you must be the founder? um, no. does that gem really represent your capacity for inference? if so, then i'll be happy to explain it to you: anyone should be "able to criticize anything", as you put it; and the very act of censorship (or "moderation", as it is sometimes called), puts a chill on that. furthermore, if _anyone_ is to be "given a pass" and allowed to speak freely, it should be the _leading_pioneer_... for _michael_hart_ to be "moderated" on a listserve for _electronic_books_ is laughable. it is as humorous as sprinkling sugar on pizza. > I'd rather not play the Bowerbird game. > Kannons and Katapults is much more enjoyable thanks. > You have the questions. You will either answer them > or you won't. Should you choose the latter, > it certainly won't have been the first time. you don't really want the answers to the questions, because you'd rather say i don't have the answers. you don't have any intellectual curiosity about this, you just have a desire to try and make me look bad. and you'd rather say my programs are vaporware than to simply go and download them, wouldn't you? i'm just not clear how this helps your _integrity_, aaron. even if you were to ignore how they make you look, don't the lies coming out of your mouth _bother_ you? > That's ok. I'll let you get back to your work. > Careful, your pudding is burning. Of course > that's only to be expected when you > cook it for 2+ years. no problem. new batch up soon. -bowerbird

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speaking of pudding, banana-cream is ready
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

speaking of pudding, "banana-cream" is ready. greg asked, a while back, for demonstrations of how online page-scans might be incorporated into the e-book experience. this is one entry. i used the text of jon noring's "my antonia" version, which can be obtained from the openreader site: http://www.openreader.org/myantonia the text is presented to the end-user, page by page. the end-user can then just click a button to download the scan-image for a specific page to be displayed too. (for instance, if they wanted to check a possible error.) the scan-image is retrieved from the openreader site. when an image is downloaded, it's stored on your machine, and any further accesses are made using that local copy... the option is also given to download _all_ of the images in a batch, in either a foreground or background process. that's what a pre-processor or post-processor from d.p. might do, so they could work throughout the entire book. an end-user might also choose to download all the scans, if they wanted to see how the physical book itself looked. (to do this another way for the demo, download the .zip file of all the image-scans from the openreader site to begin with.) i also threw in text-to-speech, because it was easy, so the computer can read you the text as you view the scan. text-to-speech _does_ work on newer p.c. systems, but might not work automatically on older ones, i'm not sure. of course, macs have had text-to-speech for over a decade. this is a demo-app, so it's not polished, and has no docs. if people like it, and ask me to polish it up, i certainly can. but i anticipate that the reaction from here will be silence. sorry to spoil your "bowerbird makes vaporware" fun... banana-cream currently runs on the mac, from os8.1 up, including o.s.x., and on windows, from windows98 up. if there are any linux users who want to alpha-test for me, speak up. i'll be uploading banana-cream to the web next week; but anyone who would like to use it before then can backchannel me for a preview copy... screenshots: > http://snowy.arsc.alaska.edu/bowerbird/bc--1.jpg > http://snowy.arsc.alaska.edu/bowerbird/bc-03.jpg > http://snowy.arsc.alaska.edu/bowerbird/bc003.jpg (i put one error on each scan, for "where's waldo" fans.) -bowerbird

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Re: PT1 Weekly Project Gutenberg Newsletter
by Michael Dyck 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

Michael Hart wrote: > > Weekly_August_24.txt > > >>> !!!17,000+ eBooks at http://www.gutenberg.org as of today!!! <<< As I understand it (from part 2 of the newsletter), yesterday's count of 17020 includes 476 from PG-Australia that (for copyright reasons) are not available from http://www.gutenberg.org (nor are they in its catalog). If that's the case, then it's somewhat misleading to say "17,000+ eBooks at http://www.gutenberg.org". Instead, "17,000+ eBooks available from Project Gutenberg" would be sufficiently vague to cover both PG-US and PG-Aus. -Michael Dyck

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re: [gutvol-d] Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Morasch＠aol.com 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

aaron said: > The next time someone asks difficult questions > which I don't wish to or can't answer, I'll simply > find something which that person has done that > I don't agree with, and refuse to talk to them > on the basis of moral superiority. i wasn't claiming any "moral superiority". i just think that to force the father of e-books to undergo "moderation" on an e-book listserve is too galling to let pass by without a reaction... where was noring back in 1971, when michael was typing in the declaration of independence? > "Most people" being code for Bowerbird? actually, i don't mind the so-called "flamewars" a bit. in case you haven't noticed. in fact, some people have accused me of being the _cause_ of them, haven't they? so if you want to continue them, it's quite alright by me. i buy the fire-retardant foam they use at the airports and get a cheap rate because i buy it by the tanker-truckload, so these little dances around the campfire are fun for me. and aaron, if you really think jon has asked me some "difficult questions" that "i don't wish to" or even "can't" answer, you should step right up and ask them again. because if you ask them to me, i _will_ answer them... and i assure you i can answer the questions jon asked, and that they are actually quite simplistic, not difficult, and furthermore, that i would be positively _delighted_ to talk at great length about z.m.l. here on this listserve. (but, like i said, i think most people on this listserve -- and by that, i mean most people on this listserve -- wish these bowerbird/noring threads would go poof. but again, if you disagree, let me know, and i'll post.) i don't think it'd match the density of the x.m.l. threads, because z.m.l. dispenses with unnecessary complexity, but i could certainly give my best effort. and i _am_ quite capable of going on and on, all by my lonesome, as you also must have noticed by now. so, by all means, feel free to pull my string and i will post and post and post. you might also want to know, though, that i will shortly start to upload demo programs for your amusement and edification -- it's pudding time, kids! -- so if you would rather deal in reality (for a change) instead of all this speculative, high-falutin' vapor-ware noise, you might want to wait-and-see for a day-or-two... -bowerbird

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TEI 'floating' divs
by Marcello Perathoner 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

If anybody wants to learn more about the "<p> followed by <div> is invalid" kind of problem just subscribe the TEI-L list. They are at it again ... To subscribe to the TEI-L mailing-list: http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=tei-l&A=1 -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.org

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re: [gutvol-d] Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

melissa said: > Is there a reason your text > needs to be so giant lately Bowerbird? > It's really quite intrusively large. sorry. it's a new version of the a.o.l. client, and i don't seem to be able to turn off .html. please accept my apologies... i too long for the days of plain-text... :+( -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] Re: unluckily for us (gutvol-d Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30)
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

marcello said: > Guess who started this thread? i don't need to "guess". the phrase "unluckily for us" was the beginning of an assertion made by lee. that's what "started this thread". but the real reason people get fed up is no-content posts like yours here... think about that before you make another. -bowerbird

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The Bowerbird
by Marcello Perathoner 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

The Bowerbird "Bower-" said I, "-bird of evil! -- Bore and wastrel, fiend and devil! Get thee back into thy bower at the Californian shore! Be today your time of parting, get a life!" I shrieked, upstarting -- "We are tired of your blurting! -- Quit! and post here nevermore! Will you -- *will* you leave this listserve? -- tell me -- tell me, I implore!" Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore." -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.org

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Copyright Renewals
by John Hagerson 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

Through my contacts with people as part of the CD and DVD distribution effort, I had a recent contact with a person who was confused by something that she found on the shelves of our library. She found a book that she was interested in reading, but she could not figure out how to download it. After some back and forth, I found that she had apparently used one of the full text search engines which found a citation of an interesting book within one of the copyright renewals files. Of course, because the copyright has been renewed, this particular book will not be available on PG for quite a while. This may be an isolated instance. However, would it make sense to prevent the full text search engines from indexing the copyright renewal files? Would it make sense to add some text to the PG index page to indicate that the copyright renewal files list books that are NOT in PG, rather than books that are? Thank you. John Hagerson

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