Input/feedback would be welcome. I'm giving a presentation this week on "why you should have a library in your pocket" at the Wolfram Data Summit. I've been working on a special collection of around 100 items that could be put on a CD/DVD, mobile device, etc. (in different formats: HTML, EPUB, or others). My goal is to have a test version of this collection by then. My listing is below as tab-delimited, and attached as an XLSX. If you notice any important omissions, please mention them! Criteria are: - interesting and worthwhile - English only - coverage of different types of content (i.e., reference, classics, non-fiction...) - only one item per author - must (probably) be public domain worldwide: - published pre-1923 - author, illustrator, translator death dates pre-1944 (life+70) This turned out to be harder than I thought, but lots of fun. I used our Bookshelves, Top 100, GUTINDEX.ALL, and other sources. I occasionally left something out that I thought was better forgotten (such as Taylor's "Scientific Management"), and made one or two arbitrary choices (such as Twain's "Connecticut Yankee" instead of Huck or Tom). The Genre categories are also somewhat arbitrary. Most of these have a great bibrec in gutenberg.org, but I just used a generic term like "fiction" or "history." Several items could use multiple genres, but I am just including one (for example, Oscar Wilde is listed as Humor, not Fiction). Thanks, and happy reading! -- Greg Project Gutenberg Selections The goal of this collection is to identify interesting and important works from the Project Gutenberg collection. "Every effort was made to identify items that are most likely in the public domain worldwide, not just in the US." Genre eBook # Title Author last Author first etc. Author death Translator last Translator first etc. Translator death Notes Adventure 1257 Dumas Alexandre The Three Musketeers 1870 Adventure 521 Defoe Daniel Robinson Crusoe 1731 Adventure 2701 Melville Herman "Moby Dick, or, the Whale" 1891 Adventure 996 Cervantes Miguel Don Quixote 1616 Business 8581 Barnum P.T. The Art of Money Getting 1891 Children/youth 271 Sewell Anna Black Beauty 1878 Children/youth 14838 Potter Beatrix The Tale of Peter Rabbit 1943 Children/youth 166 Wharton Edith Summer 1937 Children/youth 113 Burnett Frances Hodges The Secret Garden 1924 Children/youth 1597 Andersen Hans Christian Andersen's Fairy Tales 1875 Children/youth 11171 Stowe Harriet Beecher "Uncle Tom's Cabin, Young Folks' Edition" 1896 Children/youth 5747 Alger Horatio Do and Dare: A Brave Boy's Fight for Fortune 1899 Children/youth 19068 Grimm Jacob Household Stories by the Brothers Grimm 1863 Children/youth 289 Grahame Kenneth The Wind in the Willows 1932 Children/youth 55 Baum L. Frank The Wonderful Wizard of Oz 1919 Children/youth 503 The Blue Fairy Book Lang Andrew 1912 Children/youth 17412 Hope Laura Lee Bobbsey Twins Syndicate author Children/youth 28885 Carroll Lewis Alice's Adventures in Wonderland 1898 Children/youth 514 Alcott Louisa May Little Women 1988 Children/youth 120 Stevenson Robert Louis Treasure Island 1894 Children/youth 35997 Kipling Rudyard Jungle Book 1936 Children/youth 3005 Appleton Victor Tom Swift and his Airship Syndicate author Children/youth 39784 Mother Goose Children/youth 18732 Aesop's Fables Classics 11000 Clay Albert Tobias Gilgamesh 1925 Classics 7768 Lamb Charles The Adventures of Ulysses 1834 Classics 2383 Chaucer Geoffrey Canterbury Tales 1400 Purves David Liang 1873 Classics 5668 Scott Jonathan The Arabian Nights Entertainments 1829 Burton Richard 1890 Classics 1497 Plato Republic -347 Classics 24269 Homer The Odyssey of Homer -650 Cowper William 1800 Fantasy 829 Swift Jonathan Gulliver's Travels 1745 Fiction 5231 Trollope Anthony The Way we Live Now 1882 Fiction 730 Dickens Charles Oliver Twist 1870 Fiction 1260 Bront Charlotte Jane Eyre 1855 Fiction 768 Bront Emily Wuthering Heights 1848 Fiction 145 Eliot George Middlemarch 1880 Fiction 14155 Flaubert Gustave Madame Bovary 1880 Fiction 209 James Henry The Turn of the Screw 1916 Fiction 215 London Jack Call of the Wild 1916 Fiction 4300 Joyce James Ulysses 1941 Fiction 42671 Austen Jane Pride and Prejudice 1817 Fiction 14591 von Goethe Johann Wolfgang Faust 1832 Taylor Bayard 1878 Fiction 39452 Bunyan John Pilgrim's Progress 1688 Fiction 219 Conrad Joseph Heart of Darkness 1924 Fiction 103 Verne Jules Around the World in 80 Days 1905 Fiction 160 Chopin Kate Awakening 1904 Fiction 2600 Tolstoy Leo War and Peace 1910 Aylmer Maude 1939 Fiction 45 Montgomery Lucy Maud Anne of the Green Gables 1942 Fiction 84 Shelley Mary Frankenstein 1851 Fiction 33 Hawthorne Nathaniel The Scarlet Letter 1864 Fiction 73 Crane Stephen The Red Badge of Courage 1900 Fiction 27 Hardy Thomas Far from the Madding Crowd 1928 Fiction 135 Hugo Victor Les Misrables 1885 Fiction 1245 Woolf Virginia Night and Day 1941 Fiction 599 Thackeray William Makepeace Vanity Fair 1863 History 18 Hamilton Alexander Federalist Papers 1826 History 816 de Tocqueville Alexis Democracy in America 1859 Reeve Henry 1895 History 25717 731 732 733 734 735 736 890 891 892 893 894 895 Gibbon Edward The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire 1974 History 5199 Shackleton Ernest South! 1922 History 23 Douglass Frederick The Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass 1895 Horror 345 Stoker Bram Dracula 1912 Horror 41 Irving Washington The Legend of Sleepy Hollow 1859 Humor 972 Bierce Ambrose The Devil's Dictionary 1914 Humor 308 Jerome Jerome K. Three Men in a Boat 1927 Humor 74 Twain Mark Adventures of Tom Sawyer 1911 Humor 86 Twain Mark A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court 1910 Humor 844 Wilde Oscar The Importance of Being Ernest 1900 Humor 19942 Voltaire Candide 1778 Mathematics 201 Abbott Edwin Flatland 1926 Mystery 1661 Doyle Arthur Conan The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes 1930 Non-fiction 575 Bacon Francis The Essays of Francis Bacon 1626 Non-fiction 1717 Chesterton G.K. What's Wrong with the World 1936 Non-fiction 205 Thoreau Henry David "Walden, and On the Duty of Civil Disobedience" 1862 Non-fiction 769 Okakura Kakuzo The Book of Tea 1913 Non-fiction 61 Marx Karl Communist Manifesto 1883 Non-fiction 16643 Emerson Ralph Waldo Essays by Ralph Waldo Emerson 1882 Non-fiction 4200 Pepys Samuel The Diary of Samuel Pepys 1703 Non-fiction 3755 Paine Thomas Common Sense 1809 Poetry 8800 Alighieri Dante "The Divine Comedy by Dante, Illustrated" 1321 Note: multi-file HTML Poetry 19 Longfellow Henry Wadsworth Song of Hiawatha 1882 Poetry 20 Milton John Paradise Lost 1674 Poetry 11101 Coleridge Samuel Taylor The Rime of the Ancient Mariner 1834 Poetry 38877 Yeats W.B. Poems 1939 Poetry 1322 Whitman Walt Leaves of Grass 1892 Poetry 16328 Anonymous Beowulf 1928 Reference 10681 Roget Peter Mark Roget's Thesaurus 1869 Reference 1 Declaration of Independence Reference 2 Bill of Rights Reference 4938 U.S. Presidential Inaugural Addresses Religion 17 Smith Joseph Book of Mormon 1844 Religion 274 Luther Martin Martin Luther's 95 Theses 1546 Religion 10 Anonymous "The Bible, Old and New Testaments, King James Version" Religion 7145 Egyptian Book of the Dead Budge E. A. Wallis 1934 Religion 2388 "The Song Celestial; Or, Bhagavad-Gt" Arnold Edwin 1904 Science 944 Darwin Charles Voyage of the Beagle 1882 Science 59 Descartes Ren Discourse on Method 1650 Theatre 5333 Jonson Ben Every Man in his Humor 1637 Western 1300 Grey Zane Riders of the Purple Sage Syndicate author Criteria Life+70 English only One item per author "If the item is part of a set, I included the set (for example, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire)" "When there are multiple versions, I usually chose the one with the better HTML and images" Original publication before 1923 "Death dates of authors, illustrators & translators: prior to 1944 (life+70)" World copyright guidelines: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/okbooks.html#whatpd Some notable exclusions "Sun Tzu, The Art of War" Translator death date "Marcel Proust, Rememberance of Times Past" Translator death date HG Wells Author Death Date Einstein Author death date Machievelli's The Prince Translator death date Peter Pan Copyright exception in the UK
Edith Wharton's Summer is as much a children's book as Madame Bovary, and just as cheerful. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
Input/feedback would be welcome. I'm giving a presentation this week on "why you should have a library in your pocket" at the Wolfram Data Summit. I've been working on a special collection of around 100 items that could be put on a CD/DVD, mobile device, etc. (in different formats: HTML, EPUB, or others). My goal is to have a test version of this collection by then.
My listing is below as tab-delimited, and attached as an XLSX.
If you notice any important omissions, please mention them! Criteria are: - interesting and worthwhile - English only - coverage of different types of content (i.e., reference, classics, non-fiction...) - only one item per author - must (probably) be public domain worldwide: - published pre-1923 - author, illustrator, translator death dates pre-1944 (life+70)
This turned out to be harder than I thought, but lots of fun. I used our Bookshelves, Top 100, GUTINDEX.ALL, and other sources. I occasionally left something out that I thought was better forgotten (such as Taylor's "Scientific Management"), and made one or two arbitrary choices (such as Twain's "Connecticut Yankee" instead of Huck or Tom).
The Genre categories are also somewhat arbitrary. Most of these have a great bibrec in gutenberg.org, but I just used a generic term like "fiction" or "history." Several items could use multiple genres, but I am just including one (for example, Oscar Wilde is listed as Humor, not Fiction).
Thanks, and happy reading! -- Greg
Project Gutenberg Selections The goal of this collection is to identify interesting and important works from the Project Gutenberg collection. "Every effort was made to identify items that are most likely in the public domain worldwide, not just in the US."
Genre eBook # Title Author last Author first etc. Author death Translator last Translator first etc. Translator death Notes Adventure 1257 Dumas Alexandre The Three Musketeers 1870 Adventure 521 Defoe Daniel Robinson Crusoe 1731 Adventure 2701 Melville Herman "Moby Dick, or, the Whale" 1891 Adventure 996 Cervantes Miguel Don Quixote 1616 Business 8581 Barnum P.T. The Art of Money Getting 1891 Children/youth 271 Sewell Anna Black Beauty 1878 Children/youth 14838 Potter Beatrix The Tale of Peter Rabbit 1943 Children/youth 166 Wharton Edith Summer 1937 Children/youth 113 Burnett Frances Hodges The Secret Garden 1924 Children/youth 1597 Andersen Hans Christian Andersen's Fairy Tales 1875 Children/youth 11171 Stowe Harriet Beecher "Uncle Tom's Cabin, Young Folks' Edition" 1896 Children/youth 5747 Alger Horatio Do and Dare: A Brave Boy's Fight for Fortune 1899 Children/youth 19068 Grimm Jacob Household Stories by the Brothers Grimm 1863 Children/youth 289 Grahame Kenneth The Wind in the Willows 1932 Children/youth 55 Baum L. Frank The Wonderful Wizard of Oz 1919 Children/youth 503 The Blue Fairy Book Lang Andrew 1912 Children/youth 17412 Hope Laura Lee Bobbsey Twins Syndicate author Children/youth 28885 Carroll Lewis Alice's Adventures in Wonderland 1898 Children/youth 514 Alcott Louisa May Little Women 1988 Children/youth 120 Stevenson Robert Louis Treasure Island 1894 Children/youth 35997 Kipling Rudyard Jungle Book 1936 Children/youth 3005 Appleton Victor Tom Swift and his Airship Syndicate author Children/youth 39784 Mother Goose Children/youth 18732 Aesop's Fables Classics 11000 Clay Albert Tobias Gilgamesh 1925 Classics 7768 Lamb Charles The Adventures of Ulysses 1834 Classics 2383 Chaucer Geoffrey Canterbury Tales 1400 Purves David Liang 1873 Classics 5668 Scott Jonathan The Arabian Nights Entertainments 1829 Burton Richard 1890 Classics 1497 Plato Republic -347 Classics 24269 Homer The Odyssey of Homer -650 Cowper William 1800 Fantasy 829 Swift Jonathan Gulliver's Travels 1745 Fiction 5231 Trollope Anthony The Way we Live Now 1882 Fiction 730 Dickens Charles Oliver Twist 1870 Fiction 1260 Bront‘ Charlotte Jane Eyre 1855 Fiction 768 Bront‘ Emily Wuthering Heights 1848 Fiction 145 Eliot George Middlemarch 1880 Fiction 14155 Flaubert Gustave Madame Bovary 1880 Fiction 209 James Henry The Turn of the Screw 1916 Fiction 215 London Jack Call of the Wild 1916 Fiction 4300 Joyce James Ulysses 1941 Fiction 42671 Austen Jane Pride and Prejudice 1817 Fiction 14591 von Goethe Johann Wolfgang Faust 1832 Taylor Bayard 1878 Fiction 39452 Bunyan John Pilgrim's Progress 1688 Fiction 219 Conrad Joseph Heart of Darkness 1924 Fiction 103 Verne Jules Around the World in 80 Days 1905 Fiction 160 Chopin Kate Awakening 1904 Fiction 2600 Tolstoy Leo War and Peace 1910 Aylmer Maude 1939 Fiction 45 Montgomery Lucy Maud Anne of the Green Gables 1942 Fiction 84 Shelley Mary Frankenstein 1851 Fiction 33 Hawthorne Nathaniel The Scarlet Letter 1864 Fiction 73 Crane Stephen The Red Badge of Courage 1900 Fiction 27 Hardy Thomas Far from the Madding Crowd 1928 Fiction 135 Hugo Victor Les MisŽrables 1885 Fiction 1245 Woolf Virginia Night and Day 1941 Fiction 599 Thackeray William Makepeace Vanity Fair 1863 History 18 Hamilton Alexander Federalist Papers 1826 History 816 de Tocqueville Alexis Democracy in America 1859 Reeve Henry 1895 History 25717 731 732 733 734 735 736 890 891 892 893 894 895 Gibbon Edward The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire 1974 History 5199 Shackleton Ernest South! 1922 History 23 Douglass Frederick The Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass 1895 Horror 345 Stoker Bram Dracula 1912 Horror 41 Irving Washington The Legend of Sleepy Hollow 1859 Humor 972 Bierce Ambrose The Devil's Dictionary 1914 Humor 308 Jerome Jerome K. Three Men in a Boat 1927 Humor 74 Twain Mark Adventures of Tom Sawyer 1911 Humor 86 Twain Mark A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court 1910 Humor 844 Wilde Oscar The Importance of Being Ernest 1900 Humor 19942 Voltaire Candide 1778 Mathematics 201 Abbott Edwin Flatland 1926 Mystery 1661 Doyle Arthur Conan The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes 1930 Non-fiction 575 Bacon Francis The Essays of Francis Bacon 1626 Non-fiction 1717 Chesterton G.K. What's Wrong with the World 1936 Non-fiction 205 Thoreau Henry David "Walden, and On the Duty of Civil Disobedience" 1862 Non-fiction 769 Okakura Kakuzo The Book of Tea 1913 Non-fiction 61 Marx Karl Communist Manifesto 1883 Non-fiction 16643 Emerson Ralph Waldo Essays by Ralph Waldo Emerson 1882 Non-fiction 4200 Pepys Samuel The Diary of Samuel Pepys 1703 Non-fiction 3755 Paine Thomas Common Sense 1809 Poetry 8800 Alighieri Dante "The Divine Comedy by Dante, Illustrated" 1321 Note: multi-file HTML Poetry 19 Longfellow Henry Wadsworth Song of Hiawatha 1882 Poetry 20 Milton John Paradise Lost 1674 Poetry 11101 Coleridge Samuel Taylor The Rime of the Ancient Mariner 1834 Poetry 38877 Yeats W.B. Poems 1939 Poetry 1322 Whitman Walt Leaves of Grass 1892 Poetry 16328 Anonymous Beowulf 1928 Reference 10681 Roget Peter Mark Roget's Thesaurus 1869 Reference 1 Declaration of Independence Reference 2 Bill of Rights Reference 4938 U.S. Presidential Inaugural Addresses Religion 17 Smith Joseph Book of Mormon 1844 Religion 274 Luther Martin Martin Luther's 95 Theses 1546 Religion 10 Anonymous "The Bible, Old and New Testaments, King James Version" Religion 7145 Egyptian Book of the Dead Budge E. A. Wallis 1934 Religion 2388 "The Song Celestial; Or, Bhagavad-G”t‰" Arnold Edwin 1904 Science 944 Darwin Charles Voyage of the Beagle 1882 Science 59 Descartes RenŽ Discourse on Method 1650 Theatre 5333 Jonson Ben Every Man in his Humor 1637 Western 1300 Grey Zane Riders of the Purple Sage Syndicate author
Criteria Life+70 English only One item per author "If the item is part of a set, I included the set (for example, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire)" "When there are multiple versions, I usually chose the one with the better HTML and images" Original publication before 1923 "Death dates of authors, illustrators & translators: prior to 1944 (life+70)" World copyright guidelines: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/okbooks.html#whatpd
Some notable exclusions "Sun Tzu, The Art of War" Translator death date "Marcel Proust, Rememberance of Times Past" Translator death date HG Wells Author Death Date Einstein Author death date Machievelli's The Prince Translator death date Peter Pan Copyright exception in the UK
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"Greg" == Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> writes:
Greg> If you notice any important omissions, please mention them! Greg> Criteria are: - interesting and worthwhile - English only - Greg> coverage of different types of content (i.e., reference, Greg> classics, non-fiction...) - only one item per author - must Greg> (probably) be public domain worldwide: - published pre-1923 Greg> - author, illustrator, translator death dates pre-1944 Greg> (life+70) Unfortunately life+70 is pre-1943 (70 years after the end of the year of death). This unfortunately excludes Peter Rabbit for the next 4 months. Carlo
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 06:13:50AM +0200, Carlo Traverso wrote:
"Greg" == Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> writes:
Greg> If you notice any important omissions, please mention them! Greg> Criteria are: - interesting and worthwhile - English only - Greg> coverage of different types of content (i.e., reference, Greg> classics, non-fiction...) - only one item per author - must Greg> (probably) be public domain worldwide: - published pre-1923 Greg> - author, illustrator, translator death dates pre-1944 Greg> (life+70)
Unfortunately life+70 is pre-1943 (70 years after the end of the year of death). This unfortunately excludes Peter Rabbit for the next 4 months.
Carlo
I spotted that, too. Luckily this will be the "2014 Collection," so OK at the start of the new year. Thanks, -- Greg
Well, I always miss Montaigne :) Marc FreeLiterature.org <http://www.freeliterature.org> On 1 September 2013 03:00, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
Input/feedback would be welcome. I'm giving a presentation this week on "why you should have a library in your pocket" at the Wolfram Data Summit. I've been working on a special collection of around 100 items that could be put on a CD/DVD, mobile device, etc. (in different formats: HTML, EPUB, or others). My goal is to have a test version of this collection by then.
My listing is below as tab-delimited, and attached as an XLSX.
If you notice any important omissions, please mention them! Criteria are: - interesting and worthwhile - English only - coverage of different types of content (i.e., reference, classics, non-fiction...) - only one item per author - must (probably) be public domain worldwide: - published pre-1923 - author, illustrator, translator death dates pre-1944 (life+70)
This turned out to be harder than I thought, but lots of fun. I used our Bookshelves, Top 100, GUTINDEX.ALL, and other sources. I occasionally left something out that I thought was better forgotten (such as Taylor's "Scientific Management"), and made one or two arbitrary choices (such as Twain's "Connecticut Yankee" instead of Huck or Tom).
The Genre categories are also somewhat arbitrary. Most of these have a great bibrec in gutenberg.org, but I just used a generic term like "fiction" or "history." Several items could use multiple genres, but I am just including one (for example, Oscar Wilde is listed as Humor, not Fiction).
Thanks, and happy reading! -- Greg
Project Gutenberg Selections The goal of this collection is to identify interesting and important works from the Project Gutenberg collection. "Every effort was made to identify items that are most likely in the public domain worldwide, not just in the US."
Genre eBook # Title Author last Author first etc. Author death Translator last Translator first etc. Translator death Notes Adventure 1257 Dumas Alexandre The Three Musketeers 1870 Adventure 521 Defoe Daniel Robinson Crusoe 1731 Adventure 2701 Melville Herman "Moby Dick, or, the Whale" 1891 Adventure 996 Cervantes Miguel Don Quixote 1616 Business 8581 Barnum P.T. The Art of Money Getting 1891 Children/youth 271 Sewell Anna Black Beauty 1878 Children/youth 14838 Potter Beatrix The Tale of Peter Rabbit 1943 Children/youth 166 Wharton Edith Summer 1937 Children/youth 113 Burnett Frances Hodges The Secret Garden 1924 Children/youth 1597 Andersen Hans Christian Andersen's Fairy Tales 1875 Children/youth 11171 Stowe Harriet Beecher "Uncle Tom's Cabin, Young Folks' Edition" 1896 Children/youth 5747 Alger Horatio Do and Dare: A Brave Boy's Fight for Fortune 1899 Children/youth 19068 Grimm Jacob Household Stories by the Brothers Grimm 1863 Children/youth 289 Grahame Kenneth The Wind in the Willows 1932 Children/youth 55 Baum L. Frank The Wonderful Wizard of Oz 1919 Children/youth 503 The Blue Fairy Book Lang Andrew 1912 Children/youth 17412 Hope Laura Lee Bobbsey Twins Syndicate author Children/youth 28885 Carroll Lewis Alice's Adventures in Wonderland 1898 Children/youth 514 Alcott Louisa May Little Women 1988 Children/youth 120 Stevenson Robert Louis Treasure Island 1894 Children/youth 35997 Kipling Rudyard Jungle Book 1936 Children/youth 3005 Appleton Victor Tom Swift and his Airship Syndicate author Children/youth 39784 Mother Goose Children/youth 18732 Aesop's Fables Classics 11000 Clay Albert Tobias Gilgamesh 1925 Classics 7768 Lamb Charles The Adventures of Ulysses 1834 Classics 2383 Chaucer Geoffrey Canterbury Tales 1400 Purves David Liang 1873 Classics 5668 Scott Jonathan The Arabian Nights Entertainments 1829 Burton Richard 1890 Classics 1497 Plato Republic -347 Classics 24269 Homer The Odyssey of Homer -650 Cowper William 1800 Fantasy 829 Swift Jonathan Gulliver's Travels 1745 Fiction 5231 Trollope Anthony The Way we Live Now 1882 Fiction 730 Dickens Charles Oliver Twist 1870 Fiction 1260 Bront‘ Charlotte Jane Eyre 1855 Fiction 768 Bront‘ Emily Wuthering Heights 1848 Fiction 145 Eliot George Middlemarch 1880 Fiction 14155 Flaubert Gustave Madame Bovary 1880 Fiction 209 James Henry The Turn of the Screw 1916 Fiction 215 London Jack Call of the Wild 1916 Fiction 4300 Joyce James Ulysses 1941 Fiction 42671 Austen Jane Pride and Prejudice 1817 Fiction 14591 von Goethe Johann Wolfgang Faust 1832 Taylor Bayard 1878 Fiction 39452 Bunyan John Pilgrim's Progress 1688 Fiction 219 Conrad Joseph Heart of Darkness 1924 Fiction 103 Verne Jules Around the World in 80 Days 1905 Fiction 160 Chopin Kate Awakening 1904 Fiction 2600 Tolstoy Leo War and Peace 1910 Aylmer Maude 1939 Fiction 45 Montgomery Lucy Maud Anne of the Green Gables 1942 Fiction 84 Shelley Mary Frankenstein 1851 Fiction 33 Hawthorne Nathaniel The Scarlet Letter 1864 Fiction 73 Crane Stephen The Red Badge of Courage 1900 Fiction 27 Hardy Thomas Far from the Madding Crowd 1928 Fiction 135 Hugo Victor Les MisŽrables 1885 Fiction 1245 Woolf Virginia Night and Day 1941 Fiction 599 Thackeray William Makepeace Vanity Fair 1863 History 18 Hamilton Alexander Federalist Papers 1826 History 816 de Tocqueville Alexis Democracy in America 1859 Reeve Henry 1895 History 25717 731 732 733 734 735 736 890 891 892 893 894 895 Gibbon Edward The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire 1974 History 5199 Shackleton Ernest South! 1922 History 23 Douglass Frederick The Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass 1895 Horror 345 Stoker Bram Dracula 1912 Horror 41 Irving Washington The Legend of Sleepy Hollow 1859 Humor 972 Bierce Ambrose The Devil's Dictionary 1914 Humor 308 Jerome Jerome K. Three Men in a Boat 1927 Humor 74 Twain Mark Adventures of Tom Sawyer 1911 Humor 86 Twain Mark A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court 1910 Humor 844 Wilde Oscar The Importance of Being Ernest 1900 Humor 19942 Voltaire Candide 1778 Mathematics 201 Abbott Edwin Flatland 1926 Mystery 1661 Doyle Arthur Conan The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes 1930 Non-fiction 575 Bacon Francis The Essays of Francis Bacon 1626 Non-fiction 1717 Chesterton G.K. What's Wrong with the World 1936 Non-fiction 205 Thoreau Henry David "Walden, and On the Duty of Civil Disobedience" 1862 Non-fiction 769 Okakura Kakuzo The Book of Tea 1913 Non-fiction 61 Marx Karl Communist Manifesto 1883 Non-fiction 16643 Emerson Ralph Waldo Essays by Ralph Waldo Emerson 1882 Non-fiction 4200 Pepys Samuel The Diary of Samuel Pepys 1703 Non-fiction 3755 Paine Thomas Common Sense 1809 Poetry 8800 Alighieri Dante "The Divine Comedy by Dante, Illustrated" 1321 Note: multi-file HTML Poetry 19 Longfellow Henry Wadsworth Song of Hiawatha 1882 Poetry 20 Milton John Paradise Lost 1674 Poetry 11101 Coleridge Samuel Taylor The Rime of the Ancient Mariner 1834 Poetry 38877 Yeats W.B. Poems 1939 Poetry 1322 Whitman Walt Leaves of Grass 1892 Poetry 16328 Anonymous Beowulf 1928 Reference 10681 Roget Peter Mark Roget's Thesaurus 1869 Reference 1 Declaration of Independence Reference 2 Bill of Rights Reference 4938 U.S. Presidential Inaugural Addresses Religion 17 Smith Joseph Book of Mormon 1844 Religion 274 Luther Martin Martin Luther's 95 Theses 1546 Religion 10 Anonymous "The Bible, Old and New Testaments, King James Version" Religion 7145 Egyptian Book of the Dead Budge E. A. Wallis 1934 Religion 2388 "The Song Celestial; Or, Bhagavad-G”t‰" Arnold Edwin 1904 Science 944 Darwin Charles Voyage of the Beagle 1882 Science 59 Descartes RenŽ Discourse on Method 1650 Theatre 5333 Jonson Ben Every Man in his Humor 1637 Western 1300 Grey Zane Riders of the Purple Sage Syndicate author
Criteria Life+70 English only One item per author "If the item is part of a set, I included the set (for example, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire)" "When there are multiple versions, I usually chose the one with the better HTML and images" Original publication before 1923 "Death dates of authors, illustrators & translators: prior to 1944 (life+70)" World copyright guidelines: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/okbooks.html#whatpd
Some notable exclusions "Sun Tzu, The Art of War" Translator death date "Marcel Proust, Rememberance of Times Past" Translator death date HG Wells Author Death Date Einstein Author death date Machievelli's The Prince Translator death date Peter Pan Copyright exception in the UK
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... is excellent - links to all... In the Eastern sphere - we also have Paul Carus' The gospel of Buddha - nicely illustrated... Best wishes, Marc FreeLiterature.org <http://www.freeliterature.org> On 1 September 2013 23:24, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 08:17:44AM +0200, Marc D'Hooghe wrote:
Well, I always miss Montaigne :)
Marc
Good idea, thanks. I added #7551, rather than doing a big set of multi-volume works. -- Greg _______________________________________________ gutvol-d mailing list gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d
I did a similar exercise some years ago. Below find the "obvious" items on my list which are not on your list for you to consider. I have not filtered out on "English Only" -- which I think is a bad idea -- I think well-known translations need to be included. These are all on PG but have not otherwise been checked for more detailed copyright issues. Where I have only included an author name it is because I would not pretend to be able to guess which (only) of that author's works to include. As always, the unfortunate reality is that this list of the "Best of the Best" also includes many of PG's worst transcribed, and worst html/epub efforts. Cheers. Aesop: Fables Anonymous: The Arabian Nights Honore de Balzac: Pere Goriot E.M. Berens: Myths and Legends of Ancient Greece and Rome Edgar Rice Burroughs: Tarzan of the Apes Willa Cather: My Antonia Anton Chekhov G. K. Chesterton: The Man Who Was Thursday James Fenimore Cooper: The Last of the Mohicans Richard Dana: Two Years Before the Mast Dante Alighieri: The Divine Comedy Richard Harding Davis: Adventures and Letters of Richard Harding Davis Emily Dickinson: Poems by Emily Dickinson Fyodor Dostoyevsky: Crime and Punishment Theodore Dreiser: Sister Carrie W.E.B. Du Bois: The Souls of Black Folk Henry Fielding: Tom Jones F. Scott Fitzgerald Ford Madox Ford: The Good Soldier E.M. Forster: A Room with a View Sigmund Freud: Dream Psychology Elizabeth Gaskell: North and South Nikolai Gogol: Dead Souls (Henry) H. Rider Haggard: King Solomon's Mines Thomas Hardy: Tess of the d'Urbervilles O. Henry: The Gift of the Magi Herodotus: The Histories Hermann Hesse: Siddhartha William D. Howells: The Rise of Silas Lapham Elbert Hubbard: A Message to Garcia Henrik Ibsen: A Doll's House Sarah Orne Jewett: The Country of the Pointed Firs James Weldon Johnson: The Autobiography of an Ex-Colored Man James Joyce: A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man Franz Kafka: Metamorphosis Andrew Lang: The Colored Fairy Books D.H. Lawrence: Sons and Lovers Sinclair Lewis: Babbitt Edward Bulwer Lytton: Last Days of Pompeii Niccolo Machiavelli: The Prince A.E.W. Mason: The Four Feathers G. Maspero W. Somerset Maugham: Of Human Bondage Guy de Maupassant: Yvette Saint Sir Thomas More: Utopia Edith Nesbit: The Enchanted Castle Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche: Thus Spake Zarathustra Baroness Emmuska Orczy: The Scarlet Pimpernel Edgar Allan Poe: Collection of Edgar Allan Poe Marcel Proust: Swann's Way George Rawlinson Edmond Rostand: Cyrano De Bergerac Rafael Sabatini: Captain Blood Rafael Sabatini: Scaramouche Sir Walter Scott: Ivanhoe William Shakespeare: Macbeth George Bernard Shaw: Pygmalion Upton Sinclair: The Jungle Joshua Slocum: Sailing Alone Around the World Sophocles: Oedipus Trilogy Henry Stanton: Sex Gertrude Stein: Three Lives Gertrude Stein: Tender Buttons Robert Louis Stevenson: Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde Bram Stoker: Dracula Harriet Beecher Stowe: Uncle Tom's Cabin Booth Tarkington: The Magnificent Ambersons Leo Tolstoy: Anna Karenina Sojourner Truth: The Narrative of Sojourner Truth Ivan Sergeevich Turgenev: Spring Torrents Lao Tzu: The Tao Te Ching H. G. Wells: The Time Machine H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds Edith Wharton: The Age of Innocence Edith Wharton: House of Mirth Walt Whitman: Leaves of Grass Oscar Wilde: The Picture of Dorian Gray Owen Wister: The Virginian P. G. Wodehouse: My Man Jeeves Émile Zola: Theresa Raquin
Excellent, thanks! A number of those are already on my list, but most are not. Many of the ones I didn't include are ineligible under the self-imposed limitation of "world wide public domain," which I've implemented as published pre-1923 *and* author/translator/illustrator death+70. Plus wanting around 100 items, with no more than one item per book. Yes, in English -- everyone else is free to make their own list, of course, and it can be saved in perpetuity in a few places. To actually *make* a downloadable collection, http://snowy.arsc.alaska.edu/pgiso/ I'll try to work some of these in. Thanks again, -- Greg On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 10:24:04AM -0700, James Adcock wrote:
I did a similar exercise some years ago. Below find the "obvious" items on my list which are not on your list for you to consider. I have not filtered out on "English Only" -- which I think is a bad idea -- I think well-known translations need to be included. These are all on PG but have not otherwise been checked for more detailed copyright issues. Where I have only included an author name it is because I would not pretend to be able to guess which (only) of that author's works to include. As always, the unfortunate reality is that this list of the "Best of the Best" also includes many of PG's worst transcribed, and worst html/epub efforts. Cheers.
Aesop: Fables
Anonymous: The Arabian Nights
Honore de Balzac: Pere Goriot
E.M. Berens: Myths and Legends of Ancient Greece and Rome
Edgar Rice Burroughs: Tarzan of the Apes
Willa Cather: My Antonia
Anton Chekhov
G. K. Chesterton: The Man Who Was Thursday
James Fenimore Cooper: The Last of the Mohicans
Richard Dana: Two Years Before the Mast
Dante Alighieri: The Divine Comedy
Richard Harding Davis: Adventures and Letters of Richard Harding Davis
Emily Dickinson: Poems by Emily Dickinson
Fyodor Dostoyevsky: Crime and Punishment
Theodore Dreiser: Sister Carrie
W.E.B. Du Bois: The Souls of Black Folk
Henry Fielding: Tom Jones
F. Scott Fitzgerald
Ford Madox Ford: The Good Soldier
E.M. Forster: A Room with a View
Sigmund Freud: Dream Psychology
Elizabeth Gaskell: North and South
Nikolai Gogol: Dead Souls
(Henry) H. Rider Haggard: King Solomon's Mines
Thomas Hardy: Tess of the d'Urbervilles
O. Henry: The Gift of the Magi
Herodotus: The Histories
Hermann Hesse: Siddhartha
William D. Howells: The Rise of Silas Lapham
Elbert Hubbard: A Message to Garcia
Henrik Ibsen: A Doll's House
Sarah Orne Jewett: The Country of the Pointed Firs
James Weldon Johnson: The Autobiography of an Ex-Colored Man
James Joyce: A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
Franz Kafka: Metamorphosis
Andrew Lang: The Colored Fairy Books
D.H. Lawrence: Sons and Lovers
Sinclair Lewis: Babbitt
Edward Bulwer Lytton: Last Days of Pompeii
Niccolo Machiavelli: The Prince
A.E.W. Mason: The Four Feathers
G. Maspero
W. Somerset Maugham: Of Human Bondage
Guy de Maupassant: Yvette
Saint Sir Thomas More: Utopia
Edith Nesbit: The Enchanted Castle
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche: Thus Spake Zarathustra
Baroness Emmuska Orczy: The Scarlet Pimpernel
Edgar Allan Poe: Collection of Edgar Allan Poe
Marcel Proust: Swann's Way
George Rawlinson
Edmond Rostand: Cyrano De Bergerac
Rafael Sabatini: Captain Blood
Rafael Sabatini: Scaramouche
Sir Walter Scott: Ivanhoe
William Shakespeare: Macbeth
George Bernard Shaw: Pygmalion
Upton Sinclair: The Jungle
Joshua Slocum: Sailing Alone Around the World
Sophocles: Oedipus Trilogy
Henry Stanton: Sex
Gertrude Stein: Three Lives
Gertrude Stein: Tender Buttons
Robert Louis Stevenson: Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
Bram Stoker: Dracula
Harriet Beecher Stowe: Uncle Tom's Cabin
Booth Tarkington: The Magnificent Ambersons
Leo Tolstoy: Anna Karenina
Sojourner Truth: The Narrative of Sojourner Truth
Ivan Sergeevich Turgenev: Spring Torrents
Lao Tzu: The Tao Te Ching
H. G. Wells: The Time Machine
H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds
Edith Wharton: The Age of Innocence
Edith Wharton: House of Mirth
Walt Whitman: Leaves of Grass
Oscar Wilde: The Picture of Dorian Gray
Owen Wister: The Virginian
P. G. Wodehouse: My Man Jeeves
Émile Zola: Theresa Raquin
Yes, in English
Well, by "In English" I think you are saying "Originally Authored in English" [as opposed to translated into English] which not everything in your list is? If you mean "Originally Authored in English" then one might hope for a separate list of "Famous International Literature available in English Translations" -- since a lot of what we take as being "The Great Literature" wasn't actually originally authored in English.
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 11:55:01AM -0700, James Adcock wrote:
Yes, in English
Well, by "In English" I think you are saying "Originally Authored in English" [as opposed to translated into English] which not everything in your list is?
Any. Translated into English is fine.
If you mean "Originally Authored in English" then one might hope for a separate list of "Famous International Literature available in English Translations" -- since a lot of what we take as being "The Great Literature" wasn't actually originally authored in English.
From the PG collection, I excluded several other things because the
I simply mean that the files in this little sub-collection will be in English. So, Newton's Principia Mathematica is excluded. We only have it in Latin. Proust's Rememberance would be great, but the translation is too late for worldwide public domain (as I've defined it). translation was too late (I mean: the translator is dead less than 70 years). I'm sure there might be alternate translations for some, but not in our collection. The most glaring example I found was The Art of War. It's thousands of years old, but we only have the Giles translation, and he was alive until 1958. (We don't have the Calthrop translation, which would otherwise qualify.) -- Greg PS: Yes, these are somewhat arbitrary criteria.
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 01:37:29PM -0700, James Adcock wrote:
Any. Translated into English is fine.
OK, I guess I just didn't understand why you didn't have the Russians in there.
Tolstoy is, and Marx/Engels. If you think I'm missing something, let me know. - In the PG collection - English - Published prior to 1923 - Author/illustrator/translator died before 1944 -- Greg
On 2013-09-01 23:13, Greg Newby wrote:
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 01:37:29PM -0700, James Adcock wrote:
Any. Translated into English is fine.
OK, I guess I just didn't understand why you didn't have the Russians in there.
Tolstoy is, and Marx/Engels. If you think I'm missing something, let me know.
Marx was German, as was Engels. I think this sounds like a good opportunity to redo some of the oldy-moldies in PGDP. Anything with an ebook number under 10000 is ripe for a revision. Some maybe very good, we even then it would be good to know that. Jeroen.
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 08:48:03AM +0200, Jeroen Hellingman wrote:
On 2013-09-01 23:13, Greg Newby wrote:
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 01:37:29PM -0700, James Adcock wrote:
Any. Translated into English is fine.
OK, I guess I just didn't understand why you didn't have the Russians in there.
Tolstoy is, and Marx/Engels. If you think I'm missing something, let me know.
Marx was German, as was Engels.
Now I'm embarrassed. Will add Dostoyevsky to make up for it.
I think this sounds like a good opportunity to redo some of the oldy-moldies in PGDP. Anything with an ebook number under 10000 is ripe for a revision. Some maybe very good, we even then it would be good to know that.
Widger & Haines have rehabilitated thousands of those, and wonderfully so. But there are many left, most of which are very non-trivial to work on (among other things, many of them will require going back to a print source). If I were king, I'd order an entirely fresh set of Shakespeare, partially based on our current items (we have four different versions of many of Shakespeare's plays in English). Use invisible tags to mark players, so that readers could use them for performance (for example, have all of Hamlet's lines be highlighted). That would bring a lot of benefit from the markup, in addition to looking a lot better than the plain text versions we already have. Anyway, any time you want suggestions for some items that need rehabilitation, ask DW & AH. They have deep awareness of what's left to work on, and the challenges involved. Thanks, Greg
Which edition of Shakespeare? There are approximately 5 million and 6 to choose from. -Bob On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 08:48:03AM +0200, Jeroen Hellingman wrote:
On 2013-09-01 23:13, Greg Newby wrote:
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 01:37:29PM -0700, James Adcock wrote:
Any. Translated into English is fine.
OK, I guess I just didn't understand why you didn't have the Russians in there.
Tolstoy is, and Marx/Engels. If you think I'm missing something, let me know.
Marx was German, as was Engels.
Now I'm embarrassed. Will add Dostoyevsky to make up for it.
I think this sounds like a good opportunity to redo some of the oldy-moldies in PGDP. Anything with an ebook number under 10000 is ripe for a revision. Some maybe very good, we even then it would be good to know that.
Widger & Haines have rehabilitated thousands of those, and wonderfully so. But there are many left, most of which are very non-trivial to work on (among other things, many of them will require going back to a print source).
If I were king, I'd order an entirely fresh set of Shakespeare, partially based on our current items (we have four different versions of many of Shakespeare's plays in English). Use invisible tags to mark players, so that readers could use them for performance (for example, have all of Hamlet's lines be highlighted). That would bring a lot of benefit from the markup, in addition to looking a lot better than the plain text versions we already have.
Anyway, any time you want suggestions for some items that need rehabilitation, ask DW & AH. They have deep awareness of what's left to work on, and the challenges involved.
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Tower of Genji, perhaps? On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:13 AM, James Adcock <jimad@msn.com> wrote:
Which edition of Shakespeare? There are approximately 5 million and 6 to choose from.****
How about 2264? Too challenging? ****
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On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 6:13 PM, James Adcock <jimad@msn.com> wrote:
Which edition of Shakespeare? There are approximately 5 million and 6 to choose from.****
How about 2264? Too challenging? ****
Well, it looks like the most 'modern' standard texts that are in the public domain are either the Globe (single volume) or the Cambridge (multivolume). The First Folios are not as useful for actually performing the plays, IMO... Volume 1 of the Cambridge went through DP and is on PG. 23041. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare%27s_editors http://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/ -Bob
Volume 1 of the Cambridge went through DP and is on PG. 23041.
Well, 23041 is just the index, a selection of five of plays follow. So if one wanted the index plus the five plays included it would require "special handling." And the plays (while I personally like them) are not the most famous, leading to the question "Why not the most famous?" And then one has the problem that the generated epub and kindle (mobi) for these plays is really pretty bad.
Err.. I guess I wasn't clear. I'm not suggesting things to be included in the 2014 top 100. I'm asking which edition is on Greg's wish list... and I was guessing either the Cambridge or Globe. "If I were king, I'd order an entirely fresh set of Shakespeare, partially based on our current items (we have four different versions of many of Shakespeare's plays in English). Use invisible tags to mark players, so that readers could use them for performance (for example, have all of Hamlet's lines be highlighted). That would bring a lot of benefit from the markup, in addition to looking a lot better than the plain text versions we already have." -Bob On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:11 AM, James Adcock <jimad@msn.com> wrote:
*>*Volume 1 of the Cambridge went through DP and is on PG. 23041.
Well, 23041 is just the index, a selection of five of plays follow. So if one wanted the index plus the five plays included it would require “special handling.”****
And the plays (while I personally like them) are not the most famous, leading to the question “Why not the most famous?”****
And then one has the problem that the generated epub and kindle (mobi) for these plays is really pretty bad.****
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On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 11:30:07AM -0400, Robert Cicconetti wrote:
Err.. I guess I wasn't clear. I'm not suggesting things to be included in the 2014 top 100. I'm asking which edition is on Greg's wish list... and I was guessing either the Cambridge or Globe.
"If I were king, I'd order an entirely fresh set of Shakespeare, partially based on our current items (we have four different versions of many of Shakespeare's plays in English). Use invisible tags to mark players, so that readers could use them for performance (for example, have all of Hamlet's lines be highlighted). That would bring a lot of benefit from the markup, in addition to looking a lot better than the plain text versions we already have."
-Bob
I agree that First Folio is problematic. Otherwise, I don't have a basis for a preference. Actually, I don't even know the was used our #100 (http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/100/pg100.txt), and would be curious to know. For Shakespeare, like other plays, the main idea is to make it far easier to create custom versions for each player/part (plus stage direction). The markup mentioned above would also make it easy to have a computer-based "minus one" performance, in which a live human performer would read his parts, in the midst of a computer-generated play troup. (This type of thing is already done with MIDI and musical scores, for musical performances.) It would also make it trivial to do speaker-based text analysis or other research. More importantly, it would give us a much cleaner complete Shakespeare! -- Greg
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:11 AM, James Adcock <jimad@msn.com> wrote:
*>*Volume 1 of the Cambridge went through DP and is on PG. 23041.
Well, 23041 is just the index, a selection of five of plays follow. So if one wanted the index plus the five plays included it would require ?special handling.?****
And the plays (while I personally like them) are not the most famous, leading to the question ?Why not the most famous??****
And then one has the problem that the generated epub and kindle (mobi) for these plays is really pretty bad.****
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On 2013-09-04 07:39, Greg Newby wrote:
For Shakespeare, like other plays, the main idea is to make it far easier to create custom versions for each player/part (plus stage direction). The markup mentioned above would also make it easy to have a computer-based "minus one" performance, in which a live human performer would read his parts, in the midst of a computer-generated play troup. (This type of thing is already done with MIDI and musical scores, for musical performances.) It would also make it trivial to do speaker-based text analysis or other research.
I've prepared some Dutch translations of Shakespeare, (Three plays so-far, I do have a complete set of books, but it is quite a lot of work to handle these) In those, in my TEI master files, I've taken care to indicate the speaker with each line in a unambigious, machine readable way. This way it would be a matter of preparing a aural style sheet, for example, to have it read with different voices, or to pull out an extract for a single actor, as you mention. The encoding looks like this (from the translation of Midsummer night's Dream): <stage type=entrance>(<hi rend=sc>Egeus</hi>, <hi rend=sc>Hermia</hi>, <hi rend=sc>Lysander</hi> <hi>en</hi> <hi rend=sc>Demetrius</hi> <hi>komen op</hi>.)</stage> <sp who=ege> <speaker>Egeus.</speaker> <l id=mz.i.1.21>Heil Theseus, onzen grooten hertog heil! </sp> <pb n=237><sp who=the> <speaker>Theseus.</speaker> <l>Dank, Egeus, dank!—Gij wilt iets vragen? Spreek! </sp> Jeroen
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
I agree that First Folio is problematic. Otherwise, I don't have a basis for a preference. Actually, I don't even know the was used our #100 (http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/100/pg100.txt), and would be curious to know.
For Shakespeare, like other plays, the main idea is to make it far easier to create custom versions for each player/part (plus stage direction). The markup mentioned above would also make it easy to have a computer-based "minus one" performance, in which a live human performer would read his parts, in the midst of a computer-generated play troup. (This type of thing is already done with MIDI and musical scores, for musical performances.) It would also make it trivial to do speaker-based text analysis or other research.
Let me talk to the PPers, but I think we can also make something that is out of the box useful as well... an HTML edition with some light javascript menu hidden in the corner perhaps that'll toggle a 40% mask over all but one part or such. Or just highlight the specific part in yellow. :) It gets slightly tricky in a complete edition (detecting which play you are in and only displaying the current characters, remembering the last choice, etc.) Chrome, forex, restricts cookies in local copies of HTML, but it might allow HTML5 Web storage.. hmm. Last time I checked, though, javascript support was inconsistent (at best) to non-existent in the mobile reader space[0]... the only way I could see to make it work is to color code the parts (for color devices) or part-specific versions with tweaked formatting (a PITA to keep maintained, even with scripts).
More importantly, it would give us a much cleaner complete Shakespeare!
So we want this one kept together and not broken up into individual plays? Okay. I'm never quite sure how that gets decided. -Bob [0] Not to mention the different input methods... a lot of the older e-ink devices have no touch screen or mouse equivalents, and are strictly menu based because of the slow refresh.
On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 12:56:13PM -0400, Robert Cicconetti wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
I agree that First Folio is problematic. Otherwise, I don't have a basis for a preference. Actually, I don't even know the was used our #100 (http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/100/pg100.txt), and would be curious to know.
For Shakespeare, like other plays, the main idea is to make it far easier to create custom versions for each player/part (plus stage direction). The markup mentioned above would also make it easy to have a computer-based "minus one" performance, in which a live human performer would read his parts, in the midst of a computer-generated play troup. (This type of thing is already done with MIDI and musical scores, for musical performances.) It would also make it trivial to do speaker-based text analysis or other research.
Let me talk to the PPers, but I think we can also make something that is out of the box useful as well... an HTML edition with some light javascript menu hidden in the corner perhaps that'll toggle a 40% mask over all but one part or such. Or just highlight the specific part in yellow. :) It gets slightly tricky in a complete edition (detecting which play you are in and only displaying the current characters, remembering the last choice, etc.) Chrome, forex, restricts cookies in local copies of HTML, but it might allow HTML5 Web storage.. hmm.
Last time I checked, though, javascript support was inconsistent (at best) to non-existent in the mobile reader space[0]... the only way I could see to make it work is to color code the parts (for color devices) or part-specific versions with tweaked formatting (a PITA to keep maintained, even with scripts).
Thanks, Bob. This sounds promising. I was not actually thinking of doing this with Javascript, but it seems a reasonable approach. It won't work with all viewers, of course, but presumably the markup will be there so that other display methods could also work. We've avoided Javascript entirely as a mechanism for display. In this case, I think you're talking about a cool (and optional) way of doing speaker highlighting. On the other hand, if it's going to be a nightmare to code and support (and seems likely to end up broken within a few years, as browser technology advances), then you could just do the HTML tags (such as an id= or similar), and not worry about having a built-in display.
More importantly, it would give us a much cleaner complete Shakespeare!
So we want this one kept together and not broken up into individual plays? Okay. I'm never quite sure how that gets decided.
I'm pretty sure we'll want to keep with one eBook per item (per play, anyway.... sonnets have usually been a single volume together). "Complete" would be a collection of separate PG eBook #s. -- Greg
-Bob [0] Not to mention the different input methods... a lot of the older e-ink devices have no touch screen or mouse equivalents, and are strictly menu based because of the slow refresh.
Javascript has been a big no-no at PG for years, and I see no good reason to introduce it, because it gives many people a concern on what might be happening on their system. (Similar discussions have been about ePub 3.0 adding javascript support, leading to dynamic books that can suprise people in many ways.) A compromise called unobtrusive javascript (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtrusive_JavaScript) might be an option. Basically, you separate the functionality from the HTML, load the Javascript separately, which then will pick-up the active elements based on ids (or any other CSS selector). Libraries such as jQuery fully support this style of Javascript. Jeroen On 2013-09-07 13:45, Greg Newby wrote:
On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 12:56:13PM -0400, Robert Cicconetti wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
I agree that First Folio is problematic. Otherwise, I don't have a basis for a preference. Actually, I don't even know the was used our #100 (http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/100/pg100.txt), and would be curious to know.
For Shakespeare, like other plays, the main idea is to make it far easier to create custom versions for each player/part (plus stage direction). The markup mentioned above would also make it easy to have a computer-based "minus one" performance, in which a live human performer would read his parts, in the midst of a computer-generated play troup. (This type of thing is already done with MIDI and musical scores, for musical performances.) It would also make it trivial to do speaker-based text analysis or other research.
Let me talk to the PPers, but I think we can also make something that is out of the box useful as well... an HTML edition with some light javascript menu hidden in the corner perhaps that'll toggle a 40% mask over all but one part or such. Or just highlight the specific part in yellow. :) It gets slightly tricky in a complete edition (detecting which play you are in and only displaying the current characters, remembering the last choice, etc.) Chrome, forex, restricts cookies in local copies of HTML, but it might allow HTML5 Web storage.. hmm.
Last time I checked, though, javascript support was inconsistent (at best) to non-existent in the mobile reader space[0]... the only way I could see to make it work is to color code the parts (for color devices) or part-specific versions with tweaked formatting (a PITA to keep maintained, even with scripts).
Thanks, Bob. This sounds promising. I was not actually thinking of doing this with Javascript, but it seems a reasonable approach. It won't work with all viewers, of course, but presumably the markup will be there so that other display methods could also work.
We've avoided Javascript entirely as a mechanism for display. In this case, I think you're talking about a cool (and optional) way of doing speaker highlighting.
On the other hand, if it's going to be a nightmare to code and support (and seems likely to end up broken within a few years, as browser technology advances), then you could just do the HTML tags (such as an id= or similar), and not worry about having a built-in display.
More importantly, it would give us a much cleaner complete Shakespeare!
So we want this one kept together and not broken up into individual plays? Okay. I'm never quite sure how that gets decided.
I'm pretty sure we'll want to keep with one eBook per item (per play, anyway.... sonnets have usually been a single volume together). "Complete" would be a collection of separate PG eBook #s. -- Greg
-Bob [0] Not to mention the different input methods... a lot of the older e-ink devices have no touch screen or mouse equivalents, and are strictly menu based because of the slow refresh.
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On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 08:11:01AM -0700, James Adcock wrote:
Volume 1 of the Cambridge went through DP and is on PG. 23041.
Well, 23041 is just the index, a selection of five of plays follow. So if one wanted the index plus the five plays included it would require "special handling."
And the plays (while I personally like them) are not the most famous, leading to the question "Why not the most famous?"
And then one has the problem that the generated epub and kindle (mobi) for these plays is really pretty bad.
You've just recreated my reasoning for selecting #27761 (Hamlet). -- Greg
You've just recreated my reasoning for selecting #27761 (Hamlet).
But the Kindle versions of #27761 seem really quite broken, apparently due mainly to a needless line-height in the <p> format specification. p {margin-top: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0em; line-height: 1.2;} And the html, epub, and mobi are all plagued by an excessive amount of inline superscript numbers which make it difficult to actually read the play. Oh well.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:46 AM, James Adcock <jimad@msn.com> wrote:
And the html, epub, and mobi are all plagued by an excessive amount of inline superscript numbers which make it difficult to actually read the play.
Hmm. Well, the line numbers are needed for actually rehearsing the plays, especially in an environment where you won't have consistent page numbers. Do you have any suggestions for reasonable presentation? In an HTML edition it'd possible to toggle them on and off with javascript, but can't really rely on that in epub/mobi/etc and mobile readers. -R C
Well, the line numbers are needed for actually rehearsing the plays, especially in an environment where you won't have consistent page numbers.
Well correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the intrusive numbers in #27761 which make it difficult to read are to frequent chapter endnotes intended to explain the meanings of Shakespearean words. If the design and use of html margins were correct in this text, then the endnotes could be moved out of the text by doing a float. But with the current use of margins in this text, sometimes the floats "work," sometimes they don't.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM, James Adcock <jimad@msn.com> wrote:
Well, the line numbers are needed for actually rehearsing the plays, especially in an environment where you won't have consistent page numbers.
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Well correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the intrusive numbers in #27761 which make it difficult to read are to frequent chapter endnotes intended to explain the meanings of Shakespearean words.****
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If the design and use of html margins were correct in this text, then the endnotes could be moved out of the text by doing a float. But with the current use of margins in this text, sometimes the floats “work,” sometimes they don’t.
Oh, I was looking at #23042<http://www.gutenberg.org/files/23042/23042-h/23042-h.htm>. -Bob
If the design and use of html margins were correct in this text, then the endnotes could be moved out of the text by doing a float. But with the current use of margins in this text, sometimes the floats "work," sometimes they don't.
Oh, I was looking at #23042 <http://www.gutenberg.org/files/23042/23042-h/23042-h.htm> .
But the same suggested "solution" - fix the margin design, which, while commonly used, doesn't "work", and then float the offending line numbers right.
Line numbers in Shakespeare are also important for citations. M'jit Raindancer-Stahl 517-775-6053
On 9/2/2013 6:31 AM, Robert Cicconetti wrote:
Which edition of Shakespeare? There are approximately 5 million and 6 to choose from.
-Bob
If you're going to include Shakespeare (and you should -- in fact I'd violate the rules and include three: a comedy, a tragedy and a historical) you should also include at least one Molière. And I'd lose the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and the Inaugural Addresses; they're interesting historical documents, especially to pompous Americans like myself, but they seem out of place here; if you were to include them you should also include the "Universal Declaration of the Rights of Man" as well.
Tolstoy is, and Marx/Engels. If you think I'm missing something, let me know.
Well a quick check of the Chekhov Plays, translated by Julius West would seem to work, for example. I guess the Crime and Punishment doesn't make it on the translator death+70 basis. In general as I dig through this it seems like there are problems finding things that work with translator death+70 requirement -- oh well, I guess that's what you are saying.
The list seems extremely Western and Christian-centric. If you're going to have the Bible and the Bhagavadgita, you should also have the Qur'an, the Dhammapada, and the Analects of Confucius. Would also suggest the Ramayana, the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and the Manyoshu. Though PG probably doesn't have any of these. -- Karen Lofstrom
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 11:46:53AM -1000, Karen Lofstrom wrote:
The list seems extremely Western and Christian-centric.
Well, it's English language, so that will give it some bias. It would be great to hear of other suggestions that will broaden the content.
If you're going to have the Bible and the Bhagavadgita, you should also have the Qur'an, the Dhammapada, and the Analects of Confucius.
Our Korans look terrible in HTML, so I chose #12894 instead. Thanks for noticing that omission. It includes Dhammapada. I added our Confucius #3330, though the HTML is not that good. It's readable, though, and our Korans are not.
Would also suggest the Ramayana, the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and the Manyoshu. Though PG probably doesn't have any of these.
I didn't see them in English. Do you think I should add our Kalevala, and perhaps trade out an American poet? http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/5186 Thanks, -- Greg
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
I added our Confucius #3330, though the HTML is not that good. It's readable, though, and our Korans are not.
Do you think I should add our Kalevala, and perhaps trade out an American poet?
Kalevala is still Western, and you don't want the list to have too much in the way of hard-to-read old epics. How about #42290, an Arthur Waley translation of 170 Chinese poems? They are short and fairly accessible. Alas, what I think would be the barest introduction to world literature would be a thousand books or more, and too many of them would be in copyright or untranslated. Still, there should be an attempt to put some balance in the list, so that it's not just Survey of English Literature. Perhaps the list should be introduced with a caveat, saying that more works from non-Western languages and cultures are being added to the collection, which at this point has a strong bias towards works originally written in English. -- Karen Lofstrom
Alas, what I think would be the barest introduction to world literature would be a thousand books or more, and too many of them would be in copyright or untranslated.
Agreed, but to put words in his mouth I think Greg is saying: "If one were to produce a pre-packaged 'desert island' [or at least 'summer beach'] package of 100 PG offerings then what would the PG customer hope to see in that package?" On that basis I think Greg is asking "What do you see missing?"
Instead of the Bhagavad Gita by Edwin Arnold (the Gita belongs there, but that translation does not) how about the entire Mahabharata, translated by Kisari Mohan Ganguli? That would of course include the Gita, and PG has it. James Simmons On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Karen Lofstrom <klofstrom@gmail.com> wrote:
The list seems extremely Western and Christian-centric.
If you're going to have the Bible and the Bhagavadgita, you should also have the Qur'an, the Dhammapada, and the Analects of Confucius.
Would also suggest the Ramayana, the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and the Manyoshu. Though PG probably doesn't have any of these.
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